No more red diesel from 1 April 2022

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I cannot find this reported on the ybw forum.

It seems that from 1 April 2022 red diesel will not be able to be used by yachts and motorboats. As a result of the March Budget Statement, report that it is HMRC’s intention to legislate that red diesel in the United Kingdom can only be used in agricultural equipment, on the railways and for non-commercial heating from this date.
The future of UK Red Diesel
 
It'll probably go ahead simply for the reason that the taxman will be rubbing his hands with glee. They can't use the EU as an excuse for that, because we've left already.
 
There appears to be a lot of waffle and (Lies Damn Lies and ) Statistics around the numbers involved. One figure says it will raise £2.9 Billion, is that if ALL red diesel users paid full tax? Previously from figures provided by HMRC if all leisure boat owners paid duty on fuel we would contribute approximately £3 million, not much difference. The vertue signalling is to make us look at more environmentally friendly methods of propulsion - I know the establishment live in a bubble but ?????? The statement is we pay 60p / litre, half normal prices - I am yet to find a marina where this is the cost.

My understanding is- Agriculture and commercial fishing can continue with Red, Trains can continue to use tax free Red, what happened to alternative environmentally friendly fuel? Commercial vessels have to use white but can claim the tax back, fishing boats can claim all tax back or use Red. Leisure boats can continue to use Red for heating - note they have avoided saying with a separate tank fitted.

From June issue YM HMRC stated 'banning commercial boat owners from using Red diesel ( Should hopefully encourage suppliers?..) to switch to white diesel supply, thereby minimising any supply issues for recreational sailors'

So to raise £3m we are increasing paperwork for all businesses to reclaim duty, increasing the workload on HMRC which do not appear able to cope with current workload by the number of complaints but will need more staff so therefore I am responsible for more staff so need a promotion and more money.

My feeling is the South Coast will change to White, no problem marinas supplying all leisure trade so happy days, once you get north of a line from North Wales to Great Yarmouth you will be relying on 'Hope' to get fuel, good to see the Government 'levelling up' the country and implementing rational legislation.

Oh, and we're going to have another consultation, you got the last one wrong and didn't agree with us us so try again then we will implement what we originally said (See MGN's from MCA last year).

Before you shoot me down as a rich Yotty not wanting to pay tax, from my point of view it isn't about money ( as far as a Yorkshireman can say that) but ready availability of a suitable fuel at the dockside, i.e. Non Hygroscopic.

Just to provoke another few comments they haven't mentioned wether charities (RNLI) can use Red, legislation on the hoof?
 
White. On the upside.
If you are a club that supplies fuel to its members and visitors less paperwork and administration .
 
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I moved from red to white years ago after I caught a dose of the bug. I'm pretty sure it was because of the low turn over from the supplier. Given I own a sailing boat and use about 40 ltrs a year the cost difference was insignificant. Filling up a couple of jerry cans at the garage is faster than having to find a fuel pontoon and when I was down in Falmouth last year the red was more expensive than white. I don't have the figures to prove this, but the consumption is better and it burns cleaner.
 
SaltyC said:
My understanding is- Agriculture and commercial fishing can continue with Red,

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My feeling is the South Coast will change to White, no problem marinas supplying all leisure trade so happy days, once you get north of a line from North Wales to Great Yarmouth you will be relying on 'Hope' to get fuel, good to see the Government 'levelling up' the country and implementing rational legislation.
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Did you read the article that the OP linked to ?

The new information seems to be that fishing vessels will also need to use white, but get refunded for duty. Hence this would address the issue of yachts not being able to get supplies of diesel, if all marine tanks need to be changed over to white.

So still issues of transition arrangements - as will take some lengthy time to dilute down the red in both supply and boat tanks (HMRC won’t realise that it can be dangerous for yachts to run tanks low before refilling, due to wave / heeling effects).

Also the debate becomes more about FAME etc. Although lengthy threads on this topic already on YBW have suggested that “FAME free” red may be a myth anyway.
 
Sandy said:
I moved from red to white years ago after I caught a dose of the bug. I'm pretty sure it was because of the low turn over from the supplier. Given I own a sailing boat and use about 40 ltrs a year the cost difference was insignificant. Filling up a couple of jerry cans at the garage is faster than having to find a fuel pontoon and when I was down in Falmouth last year the red was more expensive than white. I don't have the figures to prove this, but the consumption is better and it burns cleaner.
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And it’s better for the Eberspacher
 
Is it possible to clean storage tanks in marinas to completely remove all traces of red or will they need to change the tanks?
 
dunedin said:
Did you read the article that the OP linked to ?

The new information seems to be that fishing vessels will also need to use white, but get refunded for duty. Hence this would address the issue of yachts not being able to get supplies of diesel, if all marine tanks need to be changed over to white.

So still issues of transition arrangements - as will take some lengthy time to dilute down the red in both supply and boat tanks (HMRC won’t realise that it can be dangerous for yachts to run tanks low before refilling, due to wave / heeling effects).

Also the debate becomes more about FAME etc. Although lengthy threads on this topic already on YBW have suggested that “FAME free” red may be a myth anyway.
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There is still a whiff of indecision, speculation or lack of clarification, I quoted from YM, there was an article also in PBO but in the tax breakdown I read after the budget the quote was 'The tax relief which costs £2.4Bn (only 1/2 Billion different) will be removed in two years time for ALL users except Farming, Fishing and Rail. '

So the implication to me is if there is commercial activity they may switch to white, if majority is fishing may continue with Red.

Then as you say there comes the discussion re FAME free and Hygroscopic White with low turnover in shore tanks. I understand Red, if correctly specified when ordering, can be FAME free.
 
Concerto said:
I cannot find this reported on the ybw forum.

It seems that from 1 April 2022 red diesel will not be able to be used by yachts and motorboats. As a result of the March Budget Statement, report that it is HMRC’s intention to legislate that red diesel in the United Kingdom can only be used in agricultural equipment, on the railways and for non-commercial heating from this date.
The future of UK Red Diesel
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Well I would be OK then..... after a few hours running during the day my MD17D is used for cabin heating in the evening... nothing like a nice hot slab of metal next to the saloon...the engine room is also used as an overnight drying cupboard for gloves, socks and bonnets....

The propeller thingo is only there to apply load to stop glazing of the cylinders.......
 
Think the "old saw " that traces of "Red" remain virtually forever in a tank , has been debunked by those are are actually in that line of business. ?
Two or three changes and only traces .
It cannot be beyond the wit of HMRC to develop some sort of graph as to just how dilute the trace is, be it in a club tank or boat tank.
It may cause some dismay for those with " friends" in the construction/transport/farming trades and for those with curiously large oil central heating tanks at home.
 
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Concerto said:
I cannot find this reported on the ybw forum.

It seems that from 1 April 2022 red diesel will not be able to be used by yachts and motorboats. As a result of the March Budget Statement, report that it is HMRC’s intention to legislate that red diesel in the United Kingdom can only be used in agricultural equipment, on the railways and for non-commercial heating from this date.
The future of UK Red Diesel
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Well at least those paying the bedroom taxes no longer have to subsidise Sunseeker or Princess owners.
I suppose those poor souls will have to move to the Caymsn Islands .
 
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