nice places in the cote d'azur

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nice places in the cote d\'azur

lots more people seem to be sopending time down there. So here are some ideas of where to go, starting from west to east, and covering st tropez to Menton. Yeah, everyone reckons it all costs a fortune but it doesn't. First off, it is perfickly fine to order the very cheapest wine, whatever it is. It is always fine. You can if you must order the second cheapest wine so your partner doesn't think you are a cheapgit, but why pretend any longer? Nice restaurants take priodein making sure all the wine is fine, so start on the cheapest rosé.

Cogolin harbour bit concrety, but cheap. There a swimming pool complex hotel thing up the hill on the left that you can sneak into.

Port Grimaud. Recommended, all canals. You can book ahead by phonebut you must ask to be "a l'interieur" ie inside the place, niot on the dock outside the capitainerie. Get the dinghy out before parking. Eat at the unicorn in the main square.

At anchor outside st tropes, just to the west of the entrance. Free, of course. take up a position as far to the west away from the harbour as you can manage because the donkey pro crew of big boats think that the 5 knot limit extends only inside st t harbour , even tho it's actualy all the way around the coast of the bay, and they wake you at 7 am with whizzing dinghies going for croissants.

Inside st trop, the new harbour will let you in from 1 am, no pre-booking allowed they say.

Inside the old port of st trop, the ultimate spot for seeing and being seen. Can book ahead for 21.5m plus, or plead on channel 9 for a "petit stop p9our dejeuner jusqu'a trois heures" which is free. All the moster boast are out for lunch. You may need the anchor, and pull back. Eat at the Girellier who sometimes don't hand out the cheaper prix fixe menu which is 36 euros, and have the soupe pistou, the sole meuniere the tart au pommes.

"Millionaires bay" cos appratently millionaires have houses overlooking it. This is a mile to the east of st trop. A few beach bars around. Some liveaboards stay here all summer. The weird-looking boats fuill of rubbish are provided by the council and you can hail them and chuck bags of rubbish aboard, free.

Pampleonne Beach. This is the east-facing beach on the penninsular of st trop. Nice blue water, good holding in sand, and anyway lots of women on the beach have have no clothes on so who cares. Most stylish restaurant and not too expensive is the club 55. Book 1 week ahead to eat (lunch only 1-4pm chuck out at 5) as early as poss say 1 ish on 33 494 55 55 55 after which it all get a bit slow service cos it's bombed out. Actually worth a walk to the car park to see loads of ferraris and so on in august. The "cinquante cinq" boat will ferry you ashore but expects 10euro tip on the return journey. You can see where to be from the sea as it's south of the Volie rouge with red flag by about 1/3 of a mile, with a smart little wooden pontton where all the paparzzi take pics of film stars. Can't sensibly stay here overnight, so back to st trop bay. Make absolutel sure you go around the big cardinal a mile out at sea (Mouettes?) not try and cut the corner.

St Maxime, on N side of st trop bay. There is a public port, and a private one, inside the same harbour. V helpful, good for boats up to 20metres I think. Walk over the road and around the little shops in the alleyways.

Frejus, all fixed up newish, bit concrete, but quite nice for a night or so with piazzas all over.

St raphael old port is a bit swelly. The new port is a bit dull. The town isn't too great either. Not recommended.

Agay is a circular bay. Bit caravanners and camping on land. Nice anchorage to the east side of this bay.

Small anchorages all the way along this coast, careful of the fishing pots. This is the cote d'esterel, pink granite, ideal speed *just* planing along otherwise it's over too quickly. You anchor in flat ish weather in 20 mtres if you have enought chain outside the Miramar hotel and dinghy ashore for lunch.

Next along is anchorage at Theoule. This is good in westerlies - the dreaded Mistrale. Actually, whenevr there any wind from any direction they always says "mistral" but true mistral blows hard from NW or westish around here.

When it really really goes it is F8-9 and you can hardly hear each other talk, but the subn is stil shing and you fel thhe weather can't be that bad really cabn it but it is, best place round here is just in Port de la rague on the welcome pontoon (you can't get in a normal berth in these winds) or on the fuel pontoon. Or any blimmin fuel pontoon, anywhere.

Nice restaurant at la rague, reasonable beach vbar with good views to cannes and excellent boat fixers. otherwise bit empty.

La napoule is nicer "vrai" cote d'azur now so this is busy all the time, no room no room. Lots of restaurants and boat sellers. Little beach along the side of lanap, and a casino on the other side, shop in the little town.

The bay of cannes is a good spot to anchor and eat ashore. It is all marked out in the season, and yiou need a chart for the speed restrictions. You can usually tie up to a pontoon and walk to the office in the portacabins near the daytrip ferry boats. Bicycles a good idea, or motorised scooters. Frightening shooping in the rue dnativbes runs in line with the coast a few block inland.

Between the islands of Lerins (ste maguerirte and st honorat) is popular hangout, depth 2m plus. In westerlies you can hide on the other side of these islands. Ice cream sellers turn up in boats and you swim in clear water.

Btween the islands you run at 5knots max. Btween the mainland and the inner island you run at 10knots max, but depth restrictions mean your route east is to head from following just east of the ferry boat track port de cannes red cardinal to the castle on a bearing of 120 leaving the BY cardinal to starboard, then head due east when about 300yards offshore. Lots of smaller boats go much closer to to palm beach end of cannes and rip their props off and lie a bit sunk for the rest of the season.

Portes de Cannes is a public port, which means they are quite nice, but quite slow. As always, never ever try to call between 12.30 and 2. Or do anyhting you like, park up and then ask later. Most ports are ch 9, but cannes is on c12. You'll need port maps cos they give teh names of the quais, rather than numbers. Cannes is good cos it has beadches, restaurants, ace shopping and macdonalds.

Further west, still in the bay is Port Canto. Bit du here, more newer but less to do than in cannes proper. You need bicycles to get into town. Port canto is full of peeps who bought the wrong boat, and then promptly put it in the wrong port. Worth a slow bumble around though.

Past thes islands as baove (or much less stress to gound south round all the islands) into Golfe Juan. On far east side is Juan les Pins ahahaha. Actually, JLP is not very swish at all, Cannes much smarter. But you can anchor in calm weather within sight of boat over there for lunch at a beach restaurant, but stay outside the line of larger yelow buoys at all times.

You can also anchor south of Port gallice in the bight of the west side of cap d'antibes (careful about the fish farms!) for longer perhasp overnight, though i have not done it. You can dinghy ashore to the Eden Roc out on the promentory, not stuffy but it IS cash only (no cheques, no credit cards) and famous for it.

Ports in the bay of golfe juan are little Port Gallice, handily next to the beach for morning swim and all-day skiving by the younger crew. Also two massive ports at Golfe Juan, eastern one is Camille Rayone, western is Golfe Juan, bothe entred by the same route. Massive boats parked up in Camille Rayon here worth a look. This authorative lady at the office may be Olivia Rayon who happily tells you how several boats who sneak off without paying get blacklisted all along the whole coast. ooer.

You can hug the coast around cap d'antibes. There are little anchorages, but they only seem likely for smaller boats, and they must bounce a lot even in settled weather as a lot of traffice piles around. I don't fancy it much.

Beter anchorages round the east side of cap d'antibes in obvious bay of La Garoupe with beach restaurants, and in the main bay under south side of the town , watch for a couple of obvious rocky reefs.

A good place to stay is in Antibes itself, call on channel 9. This is a very very big place. Mostly privately-owned. The reception quay is past all the superyachts and to the left just behind the BP station. Late at night you can stay at the BP station if empty, but it opens early at 7am to chuck you off, though is cheaper than a real berth. Main attraction in antibes is the town, a real place rathrr than just restaturants round a marina. And also a late night stroll past the megayachts. The capitainerie is near the BP fuel dock- the other capitainerie is strickly for superyachts. They speak french only on the vhf channel 9, so they'll want you to make an effort in french, or simply moor up and go in. Upstairs, the mariner type harbourmasters are on the right hand side all official. To the left are the nice ladies and Pascal who are a bit more helpfull, worth a pleasant enquiry first if you want to stay a while and if the queu isn't too long. But some of the harbourmaster types are a bit gruff and say "if you don't like it - go to Cannes!"

Further east and a bit dowenmarket is Baie des Anges. This is a good place for at least a lunch stop, which is free 11-5. The simming pool is not free, bit spensive actually, but very nice place to lunch all afternoon while kids swim. Be there for 12.300 and you get any table. And as everywhere else, be there at 1:45 and there's no table at all. V helpful at bdeA.

Actually, from here eastwards starts the Riveria proper, so the water gets very deep. The port of Nice used to be a great place, but lesseasy to visit now that Morrings have rented the whole visitors pontoon, damnit. You can still call them, ask for "Nice Plaisance" on the phone and book ahead. Nice not recommended in big wind.

Round from Nice is Villefranche. The two green bols indicate the 5knot line, often ignored. Again, liveboards stay in here for weeks and weeks for free. There is a marina which is friendly and "public" rather than private. The town is Italianate. the beachfront Grandmere restaurant is a bit steepish i seem to remeber specially when sitting in a blimmin street, but there are others.

East from Villefranche is St Jean Cap Ferrat. I think the town is a bit overblown ad fifties crumbly, a foretaste of nasty Italian dumps like San Remo which sounds great but is much nastier than anywhere in England and does not deserve decent wether or even that decent name. Near STJCF there's a good anchorage that quitens down once all the boats have rushed into port at night. Beaulieu is further up the coast a little bit, but I haven;t visited. I have done the stroll from st jean cap ferrat to beailieu which is okay but watch the dogshit from a zillion well-fed dogs.

Next east is Cap d'ail, again where i havenae stayed, seems a bit dul from the pics. But Fontvieile is not dull, protected, more recommended than Monaco proper next door which is swelly. Nothing much to do in Monaco excpet visit banks and casinos and hotels, all of which are swish. But there that swimming pool which others say is worth a visit. Fontvielee is next door to the football stadium, very smart, and the supercup betwen uefa and euorpean cup winners is played here every august.

Past Monaco is Menton, complete change, back to a proper little steep-alleyway riviera town, beach, safe for kids to rome about and surprisingly cheap restaurants. You can anchor out in settled weather, good idea cos it gets a bout 2degrees hotter here than in Nice.

Time to turn round now to avoid Italy, where they make nice boats, but can't run a modern city or make any food cept pasta and pizza, it seems.


































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Med Anchorage etiquette advice required

Lets just say that a friend of a friend was anchored peacefully in the crystal clear waters in channel between the Lerins islands and lets assume that the skipper has instructed crew not to use toilets under any circumstances due to lack of holding tank
Skipper and wife are loafing on deck musing about how life could'nt get any better when brat suddenly appears from saloon, peers over side of boat and gleefully requests all and sundry to look what he's done. Skipper reluctantly raises himself from post Cote du Provence induced stupor and is mortified to find huge brown macerated cloud of remains of pizza and Cadburys creme eggs floating gently from his boat towards massive mega yacht anchored nearby from where impossibly slim and improbably tanned beautiful persons are paddling gently around big hydraulic hatch thingy at the back of boat
Now, in the Solent, this is no problem because the water is poo coloured anyway and anybody swimming in it is certifiable but in the Med, is not that easy
Should the skipper have
A) Hailed said mega yacht and advised all swimmers to vacate the water
B) Concluded that since mega yacht was far larger than he could ever hope to afford and people on board far thinner and more bronzed than he could ever hope to be, that they deserved it
C) Immediately launched dinghy and driven it round in circles at high speed to disperse the cloud
D) Lobbed contents of a can of Soltron into sea in hope that, if it can deal with the diesel bug, it can deal with anything
E) Hidden in saloon
F) Upped anchor and zoomed off asap
Any advice for my friend of a friend would be appreciated

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Big dumps in the med.

I should say that this short person sounds quite a hoot.

Secondly, the volume of visble pooh was already diluted with seawater, but let us say that it was a dump of possibly 50 cubic centimetres. I would say that the volume of water separating the two boats might easily be 50 metres, and hence the concentration will soon drop far below 1 part per million, or much less as it sinks and spreads.

Secondly, perhaps the reason that the bronzed lovelies are that colour in april is because they especially seek out and follow likely candidates with small son likely to flush the bog so they can eagerly leap in a swim in diluted processed choclocate. They're really weird, these foreigners.

Otherwise, if your friend could see that they were swimming off the back of superyacht, then with all them being at anchor the others must have been upwind anyway? Or at least not downwind. So no damage.

Anway that area is far too busy. With moderate and regular dumps, some of them will be chased away.

Next time, your friend should make sure there is some of that blue wotsit in the bog. That's what makes that area all blue anyway, you know.

Flashing up the engines might have sorted things a bit, and if your frined's friend is any good at boat handling and has a bow thruster then that would have sorted it out. Or mebbe jammed the primary filters? Or at worst whizzing around in the dinghy.

Careful bout some beachside swimming tho. Some places seem obviously downwind of holding tanks dumps, east of antibes for example - in antibes they have monster whirring fans to whoosh all the crap outside. mebbe la nap too.

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From my experience Baie des Anges is certainly not downmarket as you say. It is one of the best equiped and well run ports in the area. Not necessarily the prettiest, but is totally self contained with restaurants and other facilities, extreemly convenient for Nice airport, and by sea smack bang in the middle of the best cruising areas between Monaco and and Cannes. Again it's not the biggest in the area but that is what I like about it. As you say the swimming pool is brilliant as is its attending restaurant.

It is a long way from St Trop. yes, but from my experience over the last 5 years I have only seen calm water on Pampellon once, though the bay at Canoubier is better. Mooring at St Trop can be a nightmare, heavy chains etc. unless you are experienced in such things.

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By the way, I notice that the local council have an EU funded project to refit the whole shore front from BDA to the Antibes Forte to include re-routing the road along the shore and plating palm trees for shade and promenade all the way along and some sandy part to the beach. Costing €30m. Could be the Islington of the cote d'azur before you know it ;-)

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oops, baie des anges resident!

alright it's not downmarket. However, most of the restaurants are seasonal, more than three sell pizza, and most blare music, and easily the most expensive place to buy things is the diesel pontoon. There's a dual carriageway just the other side of the pyraimid blocks of flats containing appartments that you can rent via french supermarkets for £200 a week, and a current-model-merc count that rises above zero only if a cab arrives. However, it is otherwise very nice. Well, fairly nice, considering, but not exactly top of the list. I mean without the swimming pool, it would be quite rubbish for kids, cos there's no beach. Mind you, the beach would be full of holding tanks effluent from the superyachts as they enter and exit antibes. Oh heck, not doing too well here. I will go again and check it out, but max once per year I reckon.

Pampleonne is often calm, though all exposed waters get a bit of a kicking around midday. But very good holding in the sand in my vast experince of lightly getting sloshed for several hours on end and rushing out to check the boat.

Ah yes the heavy chains in st trop. They want you to moor stern-to on the visitors quay which is right outside the capitainerie, and the bow ropes are blimmin chains, and nobody wants that on the fordeck. So, you need a bit of say 12mm rope, attach the stern lines really loosely and pull up some chain, loop thru the chain, and tie both ends of your own rope your own rope on the foredeck then let the chain go down. Then tighten in the stern lines. On the way out you have to let go the stern first to get your rope out else whoosh it goes off the front, leaving a bit trailing up from the seabed to wrap riound the props, and calling the diver out costs 100 euros.



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yes i heard this. there was an ealrier plan was to extend the antibes marina almost down to bda, but got turned down, nice pics tho in the marina at antibes. when will this new thing be done? and will it survive the blimming storms?

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Possibly upmarket but...

... I recall, many years ago, a very dodgy club located there, called the Nausicaa (or something). Full of suspiciously crop-haired women, gold-plated statues of ditto, unclad, and loud music played by popular beat combos. Quite a shock to an innocent lad from the sticks.

No doubt been gone for years, a victim of gentrification........

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Re: oops, baie des anges resident!

Hi
I see you have quite a large bateau. BDA isn't as good for large boats as those up to about 18 mtrs. Most of BDAs boats range from 10-18 mtrs. There are a few 25 mtrs but not many and they are out on a limb. The beauty of BDA for smaller boats (I have a 14m.) is it is very compact so everything is a short walk. Supermarket, various restaurants and chandlers. Antibes has none of these (in the harbour) as it is all based in Town. Antibes is a great place to visit, but I lived in the town for 5 years so know its drawbacks very well. Unless you're very lucky and maybe you are, you need a small car to get to anything from your mooring.

Incidentally, I'm one of those people who drop aviation fuel over your boat, we all avoid BDA, don't want the mess!


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Not sure about that. I did hear of a swingers club there somewhere, couldn't get my wife to join in though. Maybe that's the place you're talking about.
There are a few noisy bars in the marina, though they only go on late on Public hols, Bastille day seems to be the worst.
I generally find all marinas are noisy during the peak season, but thats part of the fun isn't it.

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Re: oops, baie des anges resident!

git! Mind you, at least we have resolved that cleaning the boat with petrol is okay.

We are near the capitinaerie, not out in the sticks near the footy pitch with losers like david coulthard with his latest boat "Dulux Gloss White", have you seen it? I have anyway avoided the need for a small car by getting quite a large one.


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Not all the fun is in SoF - there's a great exhibition at Brighton Centre next month.
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I of course shall be attending with my girlfriends - I may buy Mr B something nice !

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Re: oops, baie des anges resident!

Well done, that is one of the few good spots in the harbour, I,ll get my friends to stop dropping avgas on you.

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I noticed that in MBY, but wasn't sure whether the developement was east or west of BDA. You say it will be west which makes sense, but I drive along there very regularly and it gets hammered when the storms are in force from the East. It will be interesting to see how they will defend it from the sea. Looks like I'll have to find an alternative route into Antibes in the near future.

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Re: dropping avgas.

doesn't it just vaporise a bit? anyway, how much does each plane drop? and surely by the time the are quite low over antibes say erm 2000 feet(?) then there's a chance that it will burn a bit on contact with the average cederique in the street having a gauloise? Do tell.

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Why is it that that would have cost €230m in this country?

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Re: dropping avgas.

Of course 99.9% has gone by the time it reaches your lovely boat, it's predominantly exhaust fumes anyway. But lots of planes and lots of rain(lately) brings it down, and it doesn't take much to spoil that lovely white shine we strive so hard to maintain. Just ask anyone in Bray, Windsor or Penton Hook Marinas. (poor souls).

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but but it can't be predominantluy exhaust fumes.

I mean, I thought were were talking about a button to press to drop, say a few tons of unburnt fuel from the tanks so you could land more safely. wouldn't you normally do that over the sea? Or somewhat before the final approach? And it is perfectly normal? Or a bit of a desperate measure? Do tell.

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Re: dropping avgas.

My understanding is that it has little to do with safe landings, i.e. less fuel to go bang should things go wrong, and more to do with reduced maintanence costs, apparantly "heavy" landings put more strain on landing gear and tyres and cost the airline companies more in the long run than dumping a bit of excess fuel. Is this correct?

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