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Gordy M

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Evening all,

I spent a lovely evening in Newton Creek last night, I took advantage of of one of the white mooring buoys, but no one came to ask for fees.

What to do? I would prefer to pay my way, don't like taking advantage.

Gord
 
I dropped anchor there last year and the stern ended up a few metres away from a white buoy. Miserable old bugger in a dinghy asked me to move (in case people wanted to use whte buoy) which I didnt want to as wind was rising, place was empty (literally) and I was tired. He insisted, so I upped and left.
 
CPD "and the stern ended up a few metres away from a white buoy."
I am just astonished that you waited to be told. Surely you move on if you foul a swinging mooring ? Then chose a better place to anchor ?
 
I think anchoring is free, and always has been; there was a period where the NT demanded money with menaces but since they have been proven in the wrong they have the brass neck to come up and ' suggest one might like to make a donation '; ideally their request should coincide with a call of nature, so giving their much deserved donation.

Old Rhodie,

I don't see why CPD should move if the place was nearly empty with other buoys available.
 
SimonFa said:
I thought you still paid for the mooring buoys as a member but that anchoring was free for members?
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Anchoring is free for anybody; they don't own the seabed (unlike Monty across the road) and they aren't a harbour authority.

The bag of flags I inherited from my great-aunt includes a National Trust one; the accompanying letter says that it entitles one to free mooring in Newtown Creek. So membership had that benefit in the 1960s, but I've no idea if it still does.

Pete
 
The NT relies on the mooring fees to help maintain the place, it doesn't just consist of the harbour but an entire nature reserve that includes the harbour. If the donations fall away they will have to consider other ways to generate more income that could change the place, so I don't see a donation of a few quid to enjoy the place a lot to ask. It only exists as it does now because conservationists prevented a power station being built there in the sixties and it would be nice to keep it as it is now for the future. They can't collect harbour dues as it has never been designated as a statutory harbour but even though it is a relatively simple piece of legislation to do that these days, they realise that it wouldn't necessarily be a change for the better so aren't keen to go down that line...
 
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Old Rhodie said:
CPD "and the stern ended up a few metres away from a white buoy."
I am just astonished that you waited to be told. Surely you move on if you foul a swinging mooring ? Then chose a better place to anchor ?
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Am I missing something here. A few metres away is not fouling the buoy but could be agreed to be close.

Surely if you are anchored you are going to be on longer scope than a permanent mooring. So if the mooring buoy is near your stern then you are clear of it. If someone picks it up, they will drop back as the tide (or wind ) has more impact on the boat than the buoy.

Then when the tide turns, you will move through a larger 1/2 circle than the boat on the buoy so will be further away than you are now.
 
I'd be interested to know what ' maintainence ' the NT does to Newtown Creek or the reserve.

They are not exactly cash strapped, and I was misinformed enough to be a volunteer working on an Iron Age hill fort years ago, an experience which changed my views markedly - what a load of pompous arses !

Everywhere one goes which is NT owned they all look the same, identical approach to paths, half log area markings & sub-buildings and like the RSPB mentioned in another thread, they always know best, ie suits the finances and personal careers...
 
jac said:
Am I missing something here. A few metres away is not fouling the buoy but could be agreed to be close.

Surely if you are anchored you are going to be on longer scope than a permanent mooring. So if the mooring buoy is near your stern then you are clear of it. If someone picks it up, they will drop back as the tide (or wind ) has more impact on the boat than the buoy.

Then when the tide turns, you will move through a larger 1/2 circle than the boat on the buoy so will be further away than you are now.
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Only if assuming that a boat with similar attributes to laying to wind/tide as yours takes the buoy. If a cat or large motor boat takes it and you are a deepish keeled sailing boat then you could find yourself involved in one of the infamous Newtown late night anchor parties, meeting new friends and comparing night attire...:)
 
Seajet said:
I'd be interested to know what ' maintainence ' the NT does to Newtown Creek or the reserve.

They are not exactly cash strapped, and I was misinformed enough to be a volunteer working on an Iron Age hill fort years ago, an experience which changed my views markedly - what a load of pompous arses !

Everywhere one goes which is NT owned they all look the same, identical approach to paths, half log area markings & sub-buildings and like the RSPB mentioned in another thread, they always know best, ie suits the finances and personal careers...
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I am sure if you ever took the trouble to visit and talk to the harbourmaster/countryside wardens they would be only to pleased to tell you and correct your misconceptions...
 
l'escargot said:
Only if assuming that a boat with similar attributes to laying to wind/tide as yours takes the buoy. If a cat or large motor boat takes it and you are a deepish keeled sailing boat then you could find yourself involved in one of the infamous Newtown late night anchor parties, meeting new friends and comparing night attire...:)
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True.

But that applies to many a buoy. Look at the ones off Yarmouth and iirc Newtown is no better. (Not picked up a buoy there for years. ) Few places have buoys spaced wide enough apart for two "normal" sized boats to lie facing opposite directions - one to tide, one to wind.
 
Seajet said:
No, they could put their point of view.

Whether my conceptions are correct or not is not up to them and particularly not up to you.
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No, they could tell you what maintenance the NT does to Newtown Nature Reserve (which includes the harbour) which you expressed an interest in knowing. That wouldn't be a point of view. You could also see for yourself that your conceptions about the place are in fact wrong too. But I doubt if you will, you would rather just sit there and fling uninformed derogatory comments about a place as per usual.
 
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