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We were thinking of heading to Newtown Creek this Saturday (Easter Weekend) to stay overnight - any advice would be much appreciated regarding whether it is a really silly idea or not such a bad one if we turn up early? Thanks very much /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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I really love Newtown Creek, any excuse to pop over there from Poole and I'm on my way. However getting back to your question, it would help if you said what type of boat you have and where are you travelling from, it would give others an idea on how to answer. For example if you have a 42 Nelson and coming from (IOW) Yarmouth it is hardly going to be a problem is it.
As far as I can see the main problem is the weather but then it is a bank holiday weekend!
 
I was thinking of doing very much the same.

Normally this w/e is the start of the Newtown Ck pyjama parties ......Great fun at 0300hrs when the wind gusts on spring tide and anchors adrag!


Advice - take a buoy if a white vistors is free (£17 last yr) or choose yr anchor position with care remember you will swing on the tide and on Springs you will be surprised how low the water drops.

Nice soft muddy bottom so good holding generally. Weed can be an issue with genny filters.
 
It shouldn't be a problem unless it turns out to be glorious weather and you arrive late. That's assuming you're happy to anchor? If you want a buoy then that may be different.
 
It's a fantastic idea, but it does rather depend on the weather. If it's a glorious day it will be chock full by late morning. If you can get on a buoy, then so much the better as the holding is very dependent on where exactly you are. Remember there are no facilities, so you need to plan ahead - the pub is a reasonable hike at the best of times but if you get the tides wrong and have to go the long way round you will really work up an appetite. If the creek is busy, then the pub will be as well.
 
Wind wise it looks ok. We can get in at any state of tide in a Princess 42 but arrive during the day for your first visit.

Take the dinghy for dinner at the pub, (right as you enter the creek), tie it onto the quay at the small boat yard then a 10 minute walk up to the pub.

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...Take the dinghy for dinner at the pub, (right as you enter the creek), tie it onto the quay at the small boat yard then a 10 minute walk up to the pub...

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Access to the quay is tide dependant, even by dinghy - something like 3 hours either side of high water. It is just coming off springs on Saturday with HW about 1.30 pm - alright for getting back closing time but you will need to get up there late afternoon.
 
Anchor drag alert! If you go port side on the way in be careful...we dragged very easily /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif It's a great place though! If it were me staying over night I'd take a bouy for sure.
 
Are you sure? I think we may be talking about a different quay. Not Newtown quay almost directly in front of you as you enter the harbour (boat house visible), which as you say needs a fair tide even in a dinghy.

I'm talking about the boatyard and quay at Lower Hamstead. Doesn't dry out for dinghys and you then walk up the track which becomes Mill Road to the New Inn (which is in fact a very old Inn) Shalfleet.

Don't be tempted to aim higher up in the dinghy to shalfleet quay (there is a little slipway by the cluster of houses on the left as you walk up Mill Lane. If you do make it there you will be carrying the dinghy back after sticky toffee pudding and coffee!

Henry /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
As MJF has said ,beware of pajama games at 3am and i think the tide this w/e will be ideal for just that. Be well aware that you cant just drop loads of chain cuz you may be swinging in a larger arch than those around you. Different boats are affected more than others especially sailing boats with a keel. Flybridges are affected in the wind more than sportboats and sometimes the different combination of both wind and tide is suprising. Many a time my enjoyment in N.C has been spoiled by a boat swinging on to me that has just anchored and the crew dissapeared down the pub. Its a good idea to put some fenders on the transom corners as a safegaurd against some gelcoat damage from your boat to another.
 
That's true of both sides of the channel when you turn left as you enter the harbour. As a fair bit of water flows in and out, the channel is fairly deep in the middle, but shallows quickly at both sides. Because of the S shape in the river it's difficult to guess exactly where the steep section of the seabed is, so it's worth keeping an eye on the sounder as you search for a spot to anchor

If you drop anchor on the steep section of sea bed, then of course the holding is poor when the wind is blowing you towards the middle of the channel.
 
Yep, the boatyard does dry at low water. There is an alternative jetty about 2-300 yrds downstream, which you can land at all stages of the tide, but it's a long walk to the pub as you have to walk round one of the inlets, so takes over an hour, but it's a nice walk through a wooded area
 
Just want to say a very big thanks for all the posts - plenty of helpful advice therein - must remember to pack the pj's. Will be certain to arrive before late morning and the pub sounds like a fab idea. In case anyone is heading across too we will be on a Phantom 46 with (you guessed it!) a blue hull. Thanks again
 
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Are you sure? I think we may be talking about a different quay. Not Newtown quay almost directly in front of you as you enter the harbour (boat house visible), which as you say needs a fair tide even in a dinghy.

I'm talking about the boatyard and quay at Lower Hamstead. Doesn't dry out for dinghys and you then walk up the track which becomes Mill Road to the New Inn (which is in fact a very old Inn) Shalfleet....Henry /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Yes I am sure. Shalfleet Quay is the one with boatyard and slip. This picture was taken stood on the quay wall looking back down to the entrance:

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Looks pretty dry to me. The seagulls centre right in the picture below are walking across:

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I would also question whether a Princess 42 can get in the entrance at any state of the tide. If you haven't seen the quay dry, I don't think you have seen the entrance at low water springs either.

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I have just checked the tide data for the day the photo was taken. High Tide Portsmouth was 1206 pm and 4.46 metres; Low Tide Portsmouth was 5.34pm and 0.8 metres. The photo was taken at 4.35 pm about one hour before low water.

Low Tide Portsmouth this Saturday is 6.40pm and 0.71 metres.
 
If the tides are not convenient to take the dinghy up to Shalfleet quay it is (or at least it was .... the angry snail can perhaps confirm) also possible to land at any state of the tide at a small private jetty on the western shore about 1/3 mile in from the entrance then walk along footpaths to the road and then along to the inn at Shalfleet. A fair step of over 2.5 miles it must be said.
 
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If the tides are not convenient to take the dinghy up to Shalfleet quay it is (or at least it was .... the angry snail can perhaps confirm) also possible to land at any state of the tide at a small private jetty on the western shore about 1/3 mile in from the entrance then walk along footpaths to the road and then along to the inn at Shalfleet. A fair step of over 2.5 miles it must be said.

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That is right, but as you say a fair step. Perhaps not so bad going to the pub, but returning in the dark, having been well fed and watered can be challenging if you aren't familiar with the route.

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I think that's what NickH and Wiggo said

[/ QUOTE ] Perhaps that what they meant but it was not clear.

"Yep, the boatyard does dry at low water. There is an alternative jetty about 2-300 yrds downstream, .. " is hardly how I would have described the location of the jetty.

Thanks to the angry snail for posting the picture.

There another pub IIRC a little to the west of where you join the road. Not been there but walked the long route to Shalfleet several times though.
 
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