Newbridge Navigator, any positive opinions?

prv said:
Don't blame me, Tim posted it.

Pete
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Pete,

certainly wasn't blaming you !

Do think some of the figures are a bit odd, but I didn't dream you came up with them...

When I see such things I wonder if one-design racing is the way to go; but then I crewed in class racing an International 14 which cost £10,500 just for the hull in 1989, I literally couldn't sail it without gloves as the sheets were so thin to reduce weight & windage and had to wear knee pads as it was so user-unfriendly when tacking etc.

While the owner was shaped like a space-hopper, a good 20 stone + !:rolleyes:
 
Dunno what all this bullsh*t about yardsticks is about.

The OP originally said "I am happy to sacrifice some sailing performance for cabin comforts and ease of handling,"

Forget your PY numbers.. Advise on boats that are comfortable to live in...like the Sea Wych .... and easy to handle like a "junk" rig.
 
VicS said:
Dunno what all this bullsh*t about yardsticks is about.

The OP originally said "I am happy to sacrifice some sailing performance for cabin comforts and ease of handling,"

Forget your PY numbers.. Advise on boats that are comfortable to live in...like the Sea Wych .... and easy to handle like a "junk" rig.
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I absolutely agree Vic, but some of these on here seem unable to empathise with the ideas of "cruising folk". Unless they are beating to wind on their beam ends, with spray flying all over them, it's not proper sailing to them.

I think some of 'em need a bit of a reality check sometimes. Somebody turns up here and asks a question that they need answers to, and this lot give 'em answers to questions they didn't ask!

They are all so keen to beat their own drum, that they just loose the plot.
 
VicS said:
Dunno what all this bullsh*t about yardsticks is about.

The OP originally said "I am happy to sacrifice some sailing performance for cabin comforts and ease of handling,"

Forget your PY numbers.. Advise on boats that are comfortable to live in...like the Sea Wych .... and easy to handle like a "junk" rig.
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Well, I sailed my Anderson from Poole to Chichester literally single-handed, I'd cut my elbow open and had an arm in a sling ( I really wanted a parrot for my shoulder but they're a bit pricey ).

I've never tried a junk rig, Chris did offer so I really should take him up on it; the modern versions sound interesting.

I had a look at a Hunter Horizon 23 with a chum recently, the interior is not really for me - but is roomy and having the loo at the place with max headroom aft seems a good idea.

The self tacking jib is obviously a bonus, I'd think particularly for less experienced people; after all there are single hander dinghies like the International Canoe with a jib and a sliding seat to keep one occupied and others like the RS job which have assymetric kites !

I learned the hard way that what looks like a comfortable yacht interior can only really be judged when sailing in significant waves; the Carter 30 I had looked spiffing inside, then I found that the berths were much narrower & shorter than the A22s' !

Now if ever trying to judge a boat I lay down on the bunks, also test how far the cooker can swing in its' gymbals and how safe is it to operate, escape hatches in the event of fire, bilge pumps ergonomics to keep pumping for a long time getting to safety, etc.
 
prv said:
You got there ahead of me, Colin :)

I was going to point out that I've met Colin, aboard his Leisure 23, twice.

The first one was in Cherbourg.

The second was in Yarmouth, he having sailed from Poole, on a day when strong Easterlies and a foul tide meant that the Scuttlebutt trip to Poole had been called off due to the difficulty in getting back to the Solent. And he hadn't even intended to leave the harbour that day, till I called to warn him we weren't coming and he decided he was damn well going to join us in the pub regardless.

Not too bad for a boat for people that "[don't] want to actually go anywhere".

Pete
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I like that Pete :D
 
It's all getting a bit polarised isn't it?
My original point was that the OP is buying a 1st boat and whilst a caravn that sails may well be exactly what she wants, it does do to be open-minded and imagine that the compromise may be a bit too much.
If you look back through her posts she has also had her eye on a Hillyard. I think it's fair to say she is at the "I quite fancy that" and yet to reach the "hmm, I didn't realise it would be this .........heavy/slow/twitchy/tender.....or whatever.

I find boats which are basically a bit slug-like are irritating, but there again sailing on a long and fairly narrow lake means that you are always sailing against someone. You are all generally heading in the same direction. When your boat is making no progress and someone else is flying off in a light breeze it can be discouraging.

This was today on the lake. Is that a Navigator?

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Lakesailor said:
It's all getting a bit polarised isn't it?
My original point was that the OP is buying a 1st boat and whilst a caravn that sails may well be exactly what she wants, it does do to be open-minded and imagine that the compromise may be a bit too much.
If you look back through her posts she has also had her eye on a Hillyard. I think it's fair to say she is at the "I quite fancy that" and yet to reach the "hmm, I didn't realise it would be this .........heavy/slow/twitchy/tender.....or whatever.

I find boats which are basically a bit slug-like are irritating, but there again sailing on a long and fairly narrow lake means that you are always sailing against someone. You are all generally heading in the same direction. When your boat is making no progress and someone else is flying off in a light breeze it can be discouraging.

This was today on the lake. Is that a Navigator?

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Looks like a C-130J Hercules to me !

There is a Navigator below it; I do apologise if I have been in on the 'polarising opinion', but I'm afraid I can find little good to say on the boats, so I'd better shut up.

I expect there is some sort of parameter where it's better than my boat, but one may have to transport it to the Sea Of Tranquility to find it. :)
 
Seajet said:
...the A22 keelcase does not 'extend almost to the deckhead' ... I can say with complete honesty I've never found a roomier 22' with even adequate performance...
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WEll the OP was talking about a 19 footer, so those extra three feetshould give you a bit of an edge, don't you think? So would you seriously take on a Sonata? And even that is slow compared with a 707. And if you're happy to sacrifice accommodation in favour of performance, how about my old Yeoman -- only 20 ft, but quicker than an A22 ! .

Seajet said:
... and the Anderson has a separate loo, quite a boon !...
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Hmmm. On my Snottie, the loo was in the middle of the forward "cabin". At 6ft 3in, the only way I could use it for its intended purpose was with my head sticking out the forward hatch. I doubt I could even get onto yours!

Seajet said:
...all boats are a compromise...
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That, really, is the point I was trying to make. ... but obviously not very well. Someone who is looking at a Newbridge Navigator obviously has a different balance of priorities than you do.

Seajet said:
...David Harding of PBO and Duncan Kent then with Sailing Today seemed to like her a lot, in fact I don't think I've ever seen such favourable reviews...
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I thought it was taken as read, on YBW, that all journalists are liars and all boat tests are whitewash jobs intended solely to sell more advertising space to whoever supplied the boat? ;)

Brigantia said:
...the PY for the Navigator is low confidence which means its based on a limited number of returns...
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well if you were planning to do much racing, would you choose a Navigator? :D The only reason I put the PY numbers in was because it's some sort of independent assessment of a boat's performance. Imperfect, yes, but better than "my boat will sail rings round your boat"

Brigantia said:
But you know what? It matters not one jot. It's all about compromise because every small boat ... every boat if it comes to it ... is a compromise

Your compromises will differ from mine will differ from Seajets.
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Yay
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Seriously: I'm not being sarcastic. I mean it. I think that's the first time I've seen anyone on the YBW forum acknowledge that compromise is necessary, or good, and that perfection is not just a question of producing their idea of a perfect boat -- but better, and costing less.
 
timbartlett; . I thought it was taken as read said:
Tim,

I'm a writer too; I don't think PBO or Sailing Today would get many beer / lobster tokens from saying nice things about the Anderson 22, production ceased in 1982 !

While everyone has their little foibles, I found both reviewers extremely professional.

I'd happily take on a Sonata in F4 plus, the stronger the better for the A22.

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That is true

CoVianna said:
I refer you to Dylan Winter of this parish. I doubt anyone would say the Mirror Offshore is a speed machine, has an efficent hull, looks good etc but Dylan seems to be having great fun.

Have a test sail, look at the condition and see if it suits you. If so buy it and get out there.
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sail the boat you can afford now

there are no really bad boats

and I think it is the view from the cockpit that counts

and the view from the slug is as good as the view from a Nicholson

just learn to row facing forwards

Dylan
 
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