New Toy - Ferretti 165

markc said:
Cheers M. The layout has a large bathroom for the master cabin, and another for both the port & stbd cabin to share. The port guest cabin has a single berth and a double berth, whilst the stbd cabin has 2 singles. There is a crew cabin with heads through a door in the galley. Rather than being a crew cabin, the previous owners have turned it into a pantry / annex to the galley, and I am planning to keep it this way as it will be never used as a crew cabin!
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Well, that's a third layout option then! :)
Among the 165/55 which I've seen (both in flesh and in reviews/brochures), the port side bathroom has always the double access (port guest cabin+corridor), but the stbd side has either
- one large bathroom, with double access from bow cabin and stbd guest cabin, or
- a smaller bathroom (space about 2/3 of the previous one, but still good) accessible from the bow cabin, plus a much smaller one (about 1/3) for stbd cabin alone.
Obviously at Ferretti, back in those days, they were more flexible with customization than they were later on (as we discussed ref. the passerelle and the wooden panels).
Good choice ref. keeping the crew area as utility, I'm re-arranging it exactly in the same way also on my DP, whose galley+crew area is similar. :encouragement:
 
Always was a fan of the Ferretti 165 design. It and the 175 have a jet fighter look to them, sleek aggressive, sporty. They where and still are different to anything else on the market.

I had one berth next to me back in 1995 for five days and I made five days looking at it like a statue, it was my favorite Ferretti (with 175) for a very long time.

Congratz!
 
And the award for the plushest helm seat goes to....... :)

As others have said, congratulations. May you have many happy memories afloat in her.

Henry :)
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Always was a fan of the Ferretti 165 design. It and the 175 have a jet fighter look to them, sleek aggressive, sporty. They where and still are different to anything else on the market.
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+1 to all that.
As I was told, those were the two very first Zuccon-designed Ferrettis, and even if they came with some compromises (particularly ref. e/r accessibility), in terms of "jet fighter look" in a f/b boat there's nothing which ever came close to them, in the last quarter of a century. Possibly the only boats where the straight cut angle between the transom and the swim platform doesn't appear old fashioned, even nowadays. In fact, I've been in doubt till the last minute between the DP I eventually bought and a F175, and even if the latter was a dozen of years older, she arguably appeared younger...!

@ Markc: coming to think of the seatrial numbers that you mentioned, the 5 liters/Nm at 20 knots are indeed impressive, but how did the MTU guy measure that?
I mean, I am pretty sure that the series 92 MTUs (as in the 12V version used for the 175) is a completely mechanical engine.
Otoh, your V8 is a series 93, but afaik it's also mechanical, which in turn should imply that there's nowhere to connect any instrument for fuel burn measurement.
Other than installing four flow measurement sensors like the Floscans, that is. But that would be a massive job to do for just for a seatrial... :confused:
Or is the 93 mechanical pump electronically controlled somehow, maybe?
I saw the ZF throttles, but they don't necessarily mean that the engines are also electronically controlled...
Sorry, just curious!
 
For the sea trail the engineer spent about 90 minutes in the engine room and I presumed he was fitting fuel flow metres. He ended up with a hand written graph of very accurate grams per minutes measurements from each engine across the rev range which he then used to calculate consumption etc.

As for the controls, I haven't had the chance to have a proper look - I will when I am down in a couple of weeks, unless anyone can tell from the engine pics I posted yesterday.
 
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Wow, that was an accurate engine survey indeed! :encouragement:
I never heard of any mechanic going that far for a purchasing seatrial - electronic engines aside of course, where it's just a matter of connecting the diagnostic system plug.

Which were the other conditions in which she reached the 31kts max, if I may ask?
I mean, hull and props were surely clean, otherwise she wouldn't have gone anywhere near 30.
But which sort of fuel/water/crew load did you have? And which rpm did the engines reach?

Ref. the throttles, I am almost sure that the black box in the bottom right of your last pic has the actuators inside, which push/pull the black cables at its bottom, hence controlling the throttle and the gearbox (two cables for each engine, therefore you should have another of those boxes somewhere).
 
Yes, the engine survey was good - MTU France sent someone from HQ. It wasn't cheap!

As for the conditions, the boat was lifted before the sea trial and the props and shafts cleaned with acid. The Hull was not power washed as the fouling wasn't bad and the surveyor thought it would be a shame to spoil the antifoul, even though it was a year old. There were 4 people on board, fuel at 45%, water 50%. Sea conditions were calm with I guess a 10kt wind. I recall the engines were 2350rpm at WOT. All the measurements equalled a new engine which was not a surprise as they had just had a W6 overhaul.

Re the throttle boxes, yes you are quite correct, there is another to the right of that box behind the Port engine.
 
I'm late to this thread but great to see another Ferretti owner on the forum. Congratulations on acquiring an excellent boat. The interior woodwork is fantastic and doesnt look as if its faded at all which can be issue with Ferrettis of this age

Any exterior photos?
 
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I'm late to this thread but great to see another Ferretti owner on the forum. Congratulations on acquiring an excellent boat. The interior woodwork is fantastic and doesnt look as if its faded at all which can be issue with Ferrettis of this age
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Thanks Deleted User! You're righ, the woodwork isn't faded at all and is in great condition - I think that the fading started from the 53, as pretty much every one of those I looked at had faded wood to one degree, but not on the 165s I looked at. Maybe they changed the lacquer or process around that time?

I don't have many exterior photos , but here you go. As you will see, she hasn't seen a polishing mop for some years!





 
Thanks Deleted User! You're righ, the woodwork isn't faded at all and is in great condition - I think that the fading started from the 53, as pretty much every one of those I looked at had faded wood to one degree, but not on the 165s I looked at. Maybe they changed the lacquer or process around that time?
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She will polish up fine. The Ferretti off white coloured gelcoat usually holds its shine for many years long after the pure white gelcoat that other manufacturers use has faded. Yes you're right, the woodwork in the F53 is prone to fading in direct sunlight and the earlier boats were better in this respect. I have had 3 Ferrettis, 1999 F46, 2003 F53 and 2006 F630 and the F46 was the best built of all of them. I think the 1990s was when the yard was building its finest boats; after that the bean counters seemed to have got hold of the company and they started to cut corners, not so much in the fundamental engineering but in the cosmetic stuff like woodwork and furnishings

Your pics show exactly what attracted us to Ferretti in the first place ie beamy hull, low superstructure, wide sidedecks and waterline length extended right to the rear of the bathing platform. I'm sure you'll love your F165. Keep posting the pics:D
 
markc said:
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How do you get on with the ladder up to the flybridge?

I looked at a Ferretti when I was in the market but the wife did not like the thought of having to climb a ladder to take food and drink up to the flybridge. Some models have a fairly shallow slope but some are very vertical.
 
PEJ said:
How do you get on with the ladder up to the flybridge?

I looked at a Ferretti when I was in the market but the wife did not like the thought of having to climb a ladder to take food and drink up to the flybridge. Some models have a fairly shallow slope but some are very vertical.
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There is also an internal staircase to the flybridge which is much easier to take things up & down. I have owned a couple of FB boats in the past with only ladders and it takes a bit of practice to get un-spilt drinks up & down!
 
markc said:
There is also an internal staircase to the flybridge which is much easier to take things up & down. I have owned a couple of FB boats in the past with only ladders and it takes a bit of practice to get un-spilt drinks up & down!
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As mark says, i hardly ever use the ladder on mine - just use the internal steps (yes even on my baby 15m I have them and now wouldn't be without) though under way we find we are either up or down with not excessive commuting between the two
 
Whitelighter said:
As mark says, i hardly ever use the ladder on mine - just use the internal steps (yes even on my baby 15m I have them and now wouldn't be without) though under way we find we are either up or down with not excessive commuting between the two
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I'll third that. One of the other selling points of Ferrettis (not new ones:disgust:) is the internal flybridge stairs and I would say we use them about 90% of the time. Its much safer at sea as well especially for keeping an eye on kids
 
markc said:
Maybe they changed the lacquer or process around that time?
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Yep, exactly.
That's something which affected more or less the whole industry, though.
After the first years of high gloss cherry wood fashion (mid 90s), the third parties to which most builders gave their interiors for laquering (afaik, not even Ferretti did that in-house) began using nitro-combi lacquers.
That solution became popular because of its enhancement of the wood appearance, and also because of their fast drying after spray application, allowing a faster production.
Otoh, the drawback of this chemistry (as opposed to 2K-PUR lacquers) is the poor stability.
Bottom line, most if not all boats with high gloss cherry built between the late 90s and the early/mid naughties by now show this fading (or "milking", as someone call it), to some extent.
 
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One of the other selling points of Ferrettis (not new ones:disgust:) is the internal flybridge stairs
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Agreed.
That and the hinged glass between the saloon and the cockpit are the two things which SWMBO regrets a bit to be missing, after our final choice of not going for the F175.
 
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