New Rodman Muse 50
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Nick_H
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Yeah, looks OK. I like the flybridge layout, although those fwd facing seats will be might windy with virtually no screen protection. Personally i'd have the galley down, to make way for a dinette (even though I don't use ours much), but I think I may be in the minority there. Cabins are fine for me, although it seems so many buyers want full beam midships cabin, so I wonder if the marketing dep't got that one right.
I like the offset passarelle, which means you can have a permanent cockpit dining table, although you couldn't lift the tender with it there, so I assume it's a hi-lo bathing platform. That means a shorter hull, so is the 50 feet to the back of the hull, or the end of the platform.
Personally i'm luke warm on the Muse styling, but that's just personal preference and plenty others seem to like it.
Is the article right about white floors? who on earth would want white floors on a boat (oh my god, I sound like Oldgit /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif)
I like the offset passarelle, which means you can have a permanent cockpit dining table, although you couldn't lift the tender with it there, so I assume it's a hi-lo bathing platform. That means a shorter hull, so is the 50 feet to the back of the hull, or the end of the platform.
Personally i'm luke warm on the Muse styling, but that's just personal preference and plenty others seem to like it.
Is the article right about white floors? who on earth would want white floors on a boat (oh my god, I sound like Oldgit /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif)
jfm
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I quite like this. It has a few interesting/clever tricks
There's a clever bit of design in taking the flybr windscreen further forward than ever before on this type of boat. The rim of the fybr windscreen is about level with the top of the saloon windscreen, and yet it doesn't look too ugly. That's pretty clever, becuase it makes a metre extra of flybr length
I like the oak interior with near-white ceilings. Very contempoire. And the master cabin in the bow with a pair of cabins amidships is the right layout, imho, though many customers might be put off by no midships owner cabin.
Mullionless windscreen is nice, foredeck sofa and flat foredeck are great and it looks like the radar is high enough.
As for negatives, previous Muses have had terrible helm ergonomics and I can't tell much about this one but I hope they have imporived that. I also hope their cabinet work is better than on earlier boats. Pity they didn't take the hull right under the swim platform (which would have put the pass amidships which is less convenient, but a price worth paying imho for better hull at sea). And most importantly I hope they won't lazily fail to put compound curves in the superstructure moulding. Can only tell this in the flesh rahter than renderings. The atrocious Muse 64 plugs were made from plywood flat sheets and have flat slabby sizes like those boats that were churned out in the middle east a few years ago and it's important Rodamn don't cut that particular corner again. Subject to all that, it looks a v nice boat
Rod64 slab sides ...
There's a clever bit of design in taking the flybr windscreen further forward than ever before on this type of boat. The rim of the fybr windscreen is about level with the top of the saloon windscreen, and yet it doesn't look too ugly. That's pretty clever, becuase it makes a metre extra of flybr length
I like the oak interior with near-white ceilings. Very contempoire. And the master cabin in the bow with a pair of cabins amidships is the right layout, imho, though many customers might be put off by no midships owner cabin.
Mullionless windscreen is nice, foredeck sofa and flat foredeck are great and it looks like the radar is high enough.
As for negatives, previous Muses have had terrible helm ergonomics and I can't tell much about this one but I hope they have imporived that. I also hope their cabinet work is better than on earlier boats. Pity they didn't take the hull right under the swim platform (which would have put the pass amidships which is less convenient, but a price worth paying imho for better hull at sea). And most importantly I hope they won't lazily fail to put compound curves in the superstructure moulding. Can only tell this in the flesh rahter than renderings. The atrocious Muse 64 plugs were made from plywood flat sheets and have flat slabby sizes like those boats that were churned out in the middle east a few years ago and it's important Rodamn don't cut that particular corner again. Subject to all that, it looks a v nice boat
Rod64 slab sides ...
Jack Haines
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Nick_H, I think you're right about the white flooring, a look back over the spec confirms that, it has been amended in the article.
Cheers,
Jack
Cheers,
Jack
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Deleted User YDKXO
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If it's correct that the master cabin is in the bow that's a big mistake in the current market. Why bother with those big picture windows if the owner doesn't get to look out of them. Most other 50 footers manage to fit in a midships master cabin and 2 guest cabins so the Muse 50 is gonna look a bit poor in comparison. Can't really comment on the finish as the pics are puter renderings but everyone is doing the cool contemporary light wood finish these days so I see nothing new there. Agree with jfm re the flybridge if it's anything like the 54 shown at LIBS 2008 which had far too low handrails and a poor helm. Again as jfm says, the 54 at LIBS had very so-so interior woodwork so I hope the 50 is better. Any news on pricing 'cosz the 54's price was ambitious to say the least for a builder not renowned as a prestige brand?
PowerYachtBlog
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may be they are following the Azimut 47 concept which for a sub 50 feet boat is a better concept then a full blow up full beam cabin
it will always be tight in this size for a full beam master cabin especially if the engines are still mid - 2/3rd positioned shaft engines
Fairline 48 Phantom comes to mind and I think u Deleted User have not been a supporter of this model but the market seems to agree with what you say
as for the slab sides JFM unless you dont have insider information that the main moulding plugs are made of plywood I would be aware of this comment, also on the fact that if plywood is used it can also come good, but the life of the pluh is much less to a GRP made one
I see many slab sides from many popular builders too and apart the fast plywood conclusion u say usually
1) it is more of a mold not being cleaned up (waxed) each time they are used, the rule is for one or two times the most but some big brands go even up to ten before waxing the plugs
2) is usually too much hardner being used for faster curing and less waiting time
it will always be tight in this size for a full beam master cabin especially if the engines are still mid - 2/3rd positioned shaft engines
Fairline 48 Phantom comes to mind and I think u Deleted User have not been a supporter of this model but the market seems to agree with what you say
as for the slab sides JFM unless you dont have insider information that the main moulding plugs are made of plywood I would be aware of this comment, also on the fact that if plywood is used it can also come good, but the life of the pluh is much less to a GRP made one
I see many slab sides from many popular builders too and apart the fast plywood conclusion u say usually
1) it is more of a mold not being cleaned up (waxed) each time they are used, the rule is for one or two times the most but some big brands go even up to ten before waxing the plugs
2) is usually too much hardner being used for faster curing and less waiting time
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Deleted User YDKXO
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PY, yes maybe I once said the Phantom 48 mid master cabin was a bit tight but that doesn't mean that a forward master would be better. But the real competition is boats like the Princess 50, Jeanneau Prestige 50, Sunseeker Manhattan 50/52 all of which have midships master cabin. It just seems to me to be a strange decision by Rodman
benjenbav
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Well, I wouldn't want to attempt the flybridge steps on the 50 in any sort of a sea. Jeez, they're almost cantilevered out over the side.
Otherwise looks ok, if a bit eurobland.
Otherwise looks ok, if a bit eurobland.
jfm
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I think you're misunderstanding PY. The plug is the male model of the boat off which the mould is made. Then the plug is discarded. It isn't part of any actual boat. The boats themselves are all GRP
I was not referring to the surface finish so over-kicked gel/resin or bad polishing is not the problem. My point is that Rodman didn't put enough effort into making the shapes on that 64. Look especially at the flat slab above the saloon side windows. That, unquestionably, is corner cutting. They just made a plug out of a flat sheet of plywood or MDF and left it at that. It looks sh!te. And the lack of curvature makes the panel less stiff, so it is a technically inferior product. You would not find sunseeker, ferretti, fairline, princess, et al taking a shortcut like that in a 2005-6 genre boat
I was not referring to the surface finish so over-kicked gel/resin or bad polishing is not the problem. My point is that Rodman didn't put enough effort into making the shapes on that 64. Look especially at the flat slab above the saloon side windows. That, unquestionably, is corner cutting. They just made a plug out of a flat sheet of plywood or MDF and left it at that. It looks sh!te. And the lack of curvature makes the panel less stiff, so it is a technically inferior product. You would not find sunseeker, ferretti, fairline, princess, et al taking a shortcut like that in a 2005-6 genre boat
Coupe
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Agree re the Phantom 48 - we had a look at one recently and had more or less decided to buy one (based on pics) but the master cabin is small with very limited head height (even for lil MrsSV).
I was amazed how small the boat felt compared with SV. I think Fairline need to bridge the gap between the P48 and the SQ55 as the gap is a chasm price wise.
Personally a mid cabin is not a must but it seems that the market for 50 footers demands it /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
The Princess 50 is nice inside but looks very high for the length on the outside as does the Man52 / Pred 52 (imho of course). For me the mid cabins work on 60' plus.
I was amazed how small the boat felt compared with SV. I think Fairline need to bridge the gap between the P48 and the SQ55 as the gap is a chasm price wise.
Personally a mid cabin is not a must but it seems that the market for 50 footers demands it /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
The Princess 50 is nice inside but looks very high for the length on the outside as does the Man52 / Pred 52 (imho of course). For me the mid cabins work on 60' plus.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Agree with that. IMHO the P50 is still a better boat than the P48 even though the latter has a mid cabin but I think Fairline will have to come up with a P50/Sq50 with a mid cabin soon to compete with the others. The Man 52 certainly looks a bit high and badly proportioned but that's a price worth paying IMHO. I think the Prin 50 looks better and is just about the perfect 50 footer except for the galley down position
Nick_H
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Saw a Pred 52 here yesterday, it's so tall it looks almost circular from the side! The Pred is supposed to be a lean sports cruiser, but it's totally out of proportion. Are there two designers at Sunseeker, cos they make some of the best looking boats on the planet, and some of the ugliest?
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Saw a Pred 52 here yesterday, it's so tall it looks almost circular from the side! The Pred is supposed to be a lean sports cruiser, but it's totally out of proportion
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Basically it's a Man 52 without the seats and cushions on top, so no surprise if it looks similarly dumpy /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif It can't be easy to hide the height of a boat with a mid cabin if you're going to maintain standing room and have reasonable floor space in the cabin. If you consider that the cabin floor is probably around water level and you want to maintain 6ft 6" headroom in the cabin and in the saloon above plus a bit for the hardtop, the boat must be 14-15ft high at this point and it's going to take more than a few style lines to hide that
Saw a Pred 52 here yesterday, it's so tall it looks almost circular from the side! The Pred is supposed to be a lean sports cruiser, but it's totally out of proportion
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Basically it's a Man 52 without the seats and cushions on top, so no surprise if it looks similarly dumpy /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif It can't be easy to hide the height of a boat with a mid cabin if you're going to maintain standing room and have reasonable floor space in the cabin. If you consider that the cabin floor is probably around water level and you want to maintain 6ft 6" headroom in the cabin and in the saloon above plus a bit for the hardtop, the boat must be 14-15ft high at this point and it's going to take more than a few style lines to hide that
Nautical
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Unless of course you have a total rethink and end up with a 52' three cabin , three ensuite boat with a full standing master yet still looks drop dead gorgeous ;-)
well you can't blame me , its my own boat so technically not blatant advertising, er, I think !.
well you can't blame me , its my own boat so technically not blatant advertising, er, I think !.
jfm
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You must have seen Nada, Nick? How does he have all those gorgeous girls on his boat all the time?
When Deleted User said its a hattan 52, that wasn't a casual comment. It really is all the same mouldings, identical downstairs construction and layout, patio doors in same position, everything edentical except no flybridge. AFAIK, that's the only modern boat done with/without flybridge on exactly the same design (I'm ignoring stuff from the moonraker era). So, a bit of a styling challenge
They look best with a black hull and even better where the black is taken not just to the hull/deck joint line but to the gunwhale. I have seen one done that way and it hides some of the height. Nada is all white and looks pretty tall
It's also a buugger of a job I bet to clean the roof after red rain
Here's one in black/white, but as I say it wd be better if the black were taken up to the gunwhale
When Deleted User said its a hattan 52, that wasn't a casual comment. It really is all the same mouldings, identical downstairs construction and layout, patio doors in same position, everything edentical except no flybridge. AFAIK, that's the only modern boat done with/without flybridge on exactly the same design (I'm ignoring stuff from the moonraker era). So, a bit of a styling challenge
They look best with a black hull and even better where the black is taken not just to the hull/deck joint line but to the gunwhale. I have seen one done that way and it hides some of the height. Nada is all white and looks pretty tall
It's also a buugger of a job I bet to clean the roof after red rain
Here's one in black/white, but as I say it wd be better if the black were taken up to the gunwhale
Nick_H
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Didn't notice the totty, must be losing my touch 
Yep, that photo shows it off in all its (lack of) glory. It reminds me of one of those inflatable whales that kids have on the beach.
Yep, that photo shows it off in all its (lack of) glory. It reminds me of one of those inflatable whales that kids have on the beach.
PowerYachtBlog
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some numbers for the Sunseeker 52 Manhattan / Predator before here people keep on comparing it to a 50 footer
LOA it measures 57 ft 9 inches that is close to 58 feet
comparing it to the Rodman 50, Princess 50 etc etc is very unfair, and is in fact only an inch short to a Squadron 58 and is also longer to the new Squadron 55
yeah Sunseeker are genours in the lenght department....
LOA it measures 57 ft 9 inches that is close to 58 feet
comparing it to the Rodman 50, Princess 50 etc etc is very unfair, and is in fact only an inch short to a Squadron 58 and is also longer to the new Squadron 55
yeah Sunseeker are genours in the lenght department....
Nick_H
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yeah, but it looks like 4 feet+ of that is the hi lo platform, so probably close to a 52 foot boat really.
PowerYachtBlog
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but all boats have extended platforms today
ok some are more seperate to the hull and some are not
the reality is if that LOA is 58 feet it includes this
some also include the pulpits
ok some are more seperate to the hull and some are not
the reality is if that LOA is 58 feet it includes this
some also include the pulpits
Nick_H
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It's not the size of the platform, it's the size of the hull underneath that matters. So in your example, the Sq 58 has hull to end of bathing platform, the Pred 52 hull stops 4 or 5 feet short, so they're not the same size of boat at all. Fair play to SS for correctly calling it a 52, as some builders do try to add the hi-lo to the length for marketing purposes, but I think most of the major builders stay fairly honest.