New nuclear power station @ Bradwell
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holly1
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It is the obvious choice seeing as all the infarstructure is already there .
I think they need the extra power to turn those windmills to make the wind for us sailors
I think they need the extra power to turn those windmills to make the wind for us sailors
Cobra
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Second vote for Bradwell...on the proviso that they stop wasting their money cluttering the sandbanks up with bloody windmills!!
holly1
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I was not the obvious choice for me i meant for the government
Give windmills any day even if they dont work very well
Give windmills any day even if they dont work very well
stevebrassett
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Can one of you experts answer a question. I have always assumed that the big thing in the Blackwater by the power station is something to do with cooling. Is that right?
BrendanS
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If you want to rely on windmills, then you'll probably be rationed to 5 minutes of electricity a day, and only on days when it's windy. Windmills simply can't supply the energy this country requires.
tillergirl
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Yes, the cooling intake is underneath the baffle wall.
And whilst you lot are egging on the Government, could you please remember that I live directly downwind of Bradwell (on the prevailing wind)! Stop being so generous with your encouragement. Isn't Frinton a better site?
I bet the infrastruture all has to be renewed!
And whilst you lot are egging on the Government, could you please remember that I live directly downwind of Bradwell (on the prevailing wind)! Stop being so generous with your encouragement. Isn't Frinton a better site?
I bet the infrastruture all has to be renewed!
Frontier
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Modern reactors are very safe, In fact because nuclear has been so controversial they are probably unnecessarily extra safe.
Click on Four minutes presenting the EPR Four minutes presenting the EPR
Click on Four minutes presenting the EPR Four minutes presenting the EPR
Mudplugger
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So what are you woried about? If ##it happened you wouldn't have time to know /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif whereas them ole buoys up the Colne will know what hits them /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
tillergirl
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Well lets build one in Oxfordshire then! You're got a river there.....
MoodySabre
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FullCircle
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I am happy about it. Just for once, I think it is a good idea.
My first Father in law was 2nd IC at Dungeness B, and I learned a lot about Nuclear safety.
I dont glow in the dark, but I had many fish off the intake screens in the 70s and 80s.
And any company that frogmarched my brother off their premises gets my vote everytime.
What is so different about adding to the one thats already there? If it went up, you really wouldn't know much
However, just to be really gloomy, this site link rates in my top 5 all time URLs (along with rathergood.com)
Chernobyl from a different perspective
My first Father in law was 2nd IC at Dungeness B, and I learned a lot about Nuclear safety.
I dont glow in the dark, but I had many fish off the intake screens in the 70s and 80s.
And any company that frogmarched my brother off their premises gets my vote everytime.
What is so different about adding to the one thats already there? If it went up, you really wouldn't know much
However, just to be really gloomy, this site link rates in my top 5 all time URLs (along with rathergood.com)
Chernobyl from a different perspective
CPD
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Mr.Smith /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cobra
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And Brightlingsea is NOT downwind of Bradwell on the prevailing South Westerlies???
As Brendan has stated Windmills are a pointless exercise. They are limited as to their usability...not enough wind they don't work, too much wind and they have to be feathered to prevent over rotation. The structure of the blades is GRP...which requires catalysts that release nasties into the atmosphere doing more harm to the ozone layer than will ever be recovered by "clean" energy.
Just accept it guys...if the French are happy to build Nuclear Power stations in their own back yard, they cannot be that much of a problem, as the garlic crunchers are well renowned for not taking risks!!
As Brendan has stated Windmills are a pointless exercise. They are limited as to their usability...not enough wind they don't work, too much wind and they have to be feathered to prevent over rotation. The structure of the blades is GRP...which requires catalysts that release nasties into the atmosphere doing more harm to the ozone layer than will ever be recovered by "clean" energy.
Just accept it guys...if the French are happy to build Nuclear Power stations in their own back yard, they cannot be that much of a problem, as the garlic crunchers are well renowned for not taking risks!!
tillergirl
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Actually I am not opposed to Nuclear Power, nor desperately unhappy if Bradwell is used but please don't try to tell me it will be good to look at. There is also a fair bit of turbine noise - fine if its windy - bet you don't hear that in Brightlingsea but come and sit in my garden on a still day. Well not since Bradwell shut. Still it will take years to build and there's a strong chance I won't be able to hear it then.
Actually the best material for Wind turbine blades is Bamboo - Cambridge University has been working with the Chinese on this.
There is really only one thing wrong with the world and that is that the population is too large! That's the one thing that politicians will not and cannot tackle but is the real underlying problem. I am afraid that everything else is really just moving deckchairs. Not that I am saying that we shouldn't do that.
Actually the best material for Wind turbine blades is Bamboo - Cambridge University has been working with the Chinese on this.
There is really only one thing wrong with the world and that is that the population is too large! That's the one thing that politicians will not and cannot tackle but is the real underlying problem. I am afraid that everything else is really just moving deckchairs. Not that I am saying that we shouldn't do that.
Saguday
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Sorry, a lot of this is nonsense, wind turbines work on averages, not each one running all the time. Look at conventional power stations and you will see that they are not running al the time either, the system is built with overcapacity to cope with peaks (Kettles after Corrie) and troughs (maintenance, lack of wind etc). *Any* contribution renewable makes means we burn less fossil fuels and with the wind regime in Britain they can make an appreciable contribution - but as part of a diverse energy strategy, not a single-source replacement.
I will declare an interest and some background: my father is a consulting engineer who, amongst other things, has worked on various wind and hydro energy schemes for many decades. His speciality is vertical axis wind turbines, which have a number of advantages over the propellor ones we seem to have been encumbered with (which he detests). His designs use aluminium blades, not fibre glass.
All the comments on here seem to be about the risk of a nuclear explosion from a reactor, which is very unlikely and the least of the problems. This avoids discussing the real issues: deadly and irrecoverable pollution from a conventional accident (e.g. Chernobyl, Three Mile Island) and massive amounts of radioactive waste with a half-life of thousands of years (for which there is still no solution). Where do the French ship their waste by the way? I believe most of it came to Sellafield so perhaps that's why they are so comfortable with it. Maybe Lakey isn't? dunno, it does provide employment for the region but at what long term environmental cost?
I'm an engineer not a rampant tree hugger but I'd rather go with better energy efficiency and a diverse and sustainable energy infrastructure than stone-age collossi like fission plants. I do support fusion though, which has huge potential but also massive engineering and material challenges. Short half-life waste products and inherent inability to explode are two of the factors in it's favour for me.
All imho of course.
Major, thanks for the link: I remember the event well and the fear it generated at the time. Elena's story and the memories of it prompted my diatribe into an area I usually avoid posting on.
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I will declare an interest and some background: my father is a consulting engineer who, amongst other things, has worked on various wind and hydro energy schemes for many decades. His speciality is vertical axis wind turbines, which have a number of advantages over the propellor ones we seem to have been encumbered with (which he detests). His designs use aluminium blades, not fibre glass.
All the comments on here seem to be about the risk of a nuclear explosion from a reactor, which is very unlikely and the least of the problems. This avoids discussing the real issues: deadly and irrecoverable pollution from a conventional accident (e.g. Chernobyl, Three Mile Island) and massive amounts of radioactive waste with a half-life of thousands of years (for which there is still no solution). Where do the French ship their waste by the way? I believe most of it came to Sellafield so perhaps that's why they are so comfortable with it. Maybe Lakey isn't? dunno, it does provide employment for the region but at what long term environmental cost?
I'm an engineer not a rampant tree hugger but I'd rather go with better energy efficiency and a diverse and sustainable energy infrastructure than stone-age collossi like fission plants. I do support fusion though, which has huge potential but also massive engineering and material challenges. Short half-life waste products and inherent inability to explode are two of the factors in it's favour for me.
All imho of course.
Major, thanks for the link: I remember the event well and the fear it generated at the time. Elena's story and the memories of it prompted my diatribe into an area I usually avoid posting on.
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Saguday
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Reduce overall energy consumption (LED lighting and per house panels to augment heating requirements *will* be the future) and the need to build such things reduces. Wind power, wave, etc may be a temporary (20/30/40 years?) gap filler while fossils reduce and fusion comes along.
Sadly, I fear the energy policy in this country is so short-sighted, chaotic and ill thought out that we will be forced into building fission stations in the short term no matter what.
By the way, google for radioactivity levels and leukemia clusters around UK estuaries - makes interesting reading.
Sadly, I fear the energy policy in this country is so short-sighted, chaotic and ill thought out that we will be forced into building fission stations in the short term no matter what.
By the way, google for radioactivity levels and leukemia clusters around UK estuaries - makes interesting reading.
FullCircle
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<<<Major, thanks for the link: I remember the event well and the fear it generated at the time. Elena's story and the memories of it prompted my diatribe into an area I usually avoid posting on.>>>
Major? Major?? Who's Major?
Or do you mean Mayger Catasstroffee habitue of the Lounge?
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Major? Major?? Who's Major?
Or do you mean Mayger Catasstroffee habitue of the Lounge?
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MoodySabre
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Perhaps he was thinking of major catastrophe Jeanneau in the Crouch /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Cobra
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[ QUOTE ]
Actually I am not opposed to Nuclear Power, nor desperately unhappy if Bradwell is used but please don't try to tell me it will be good to look at.
[/ QUOTE ] No...Bradwell is not pretty to look at, BUT it was a stonking good beacon for night time approaches to the Colne and Blackwater!!! [ QUOTE ]
There is also a fair bit of turbine noise - fine if its windy - bet you don't hear that in Brightlingsea but come and sit in my garden on a still day. Well not since Bradwell shut. Still it will take years to build and there's a strong chance I won't be able to hear it then.
[/ QUOTE ] No you are spot on there...the turbine noise always was an irritant when visiting Bradwell, but as you say, by the time that a decision has been made by government and then it has scraped it's way past planning and no doubt objections, and tenders have finally been accepted building is completed, most of us here will probably be pushing up the daisies!!!
Actually I am not opposed to Nuclear Power, nor desperately unhappy if Bradwell is used but please don't try to tell me it will be good to look at.
[/ QUOTE ] No...Bradwell is not pretty to look at, BUT it was a stonking good beacon for night time approaches to the Colne and Blackwater!!! [ QUOTE ]
There is also a fair bit of turbine noise - fine if its windy - bet you don't hear that in Brightlingsea but come and sit in my garden on a still day. Well not since Bradwell shut. Still it will take years to build and there's a strong chance I won't be able to hear it then.
[/ QUOTE ] No you are spot on there...the turbine noise always was an irritant when visiting Bradwell, but as you say, by the time that a decision has been made by government and then it has scraped it's way past planning and no doubt objections, and tenders have finally been accepted building is completed, most of us here will probably be pushing up the daisies!!!