New Marina at Brightlingsea.. support needed

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Aoporos Long Keeler spotting the planning application.

Morgan Marine's planning application for a new marina has finally been accepted by Tendring DC. This will be the first new marina on the East coast for over two decades. Given the number if nee houses being built around the east of London, there is a screaming need for new leisur facilities of all sorts to provide for the burgeoning population. New boating facilities are essential to meet peoples needs.

Thus us the link to the application if folks can comment and offer support. Closing date for comments is 14 June.

21/00194/FUL | Expansion and modernisation of facilities to include; redesign of moorings, modernisation of services for mooring holders and visitors, development of shore side vessel services (such as maintenance, haulage, wash down facility and storage), installation of protective dolphin and construction of 90no. new moorings and 25no. improved moorings. | Morgan Marine The Boatyard Copperas Road Brightlingsea Essex CO7 0AR

I confess, I do have a vested interest... Part of the proposal is a new travel hoilst that will lift Tomahawk which at over 6m wide will not fit into anything on the East Coast at the moment!
 
Concerto said:
Seems like a good idea but a quick look at the documents does not mention any dredging, so I assume it will be luxury mud berths.
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Extent of dredging outside new sheet piled wall shown on one of piling plans. dredged to 0.5m CD (LAT is 0.0mCD). How water depths are maintained afterwards is not noted.

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At risk of being referred to as a NIMBY by certain members of this establishment, I fail to see why we actually need a second marina in Brightlingsea?

1) The current marina has vacant berths
2) There are moorings available in both North and South channels
3) Morgans themselves have several expensive half tide mud berths available at present.
4) Unless there is a serious commitment to dredging the North Channel + keeping the proposed 'marina' clear from silting, usage will be limited to power boats and shallow draft yachts for probably a maximum of 3 hours either side of high water. With the commitment to dredging comes the next issue of proximity to an SSI (Cindrey Island) and the potential damage/disruption said dredging could cause.

As has already been mooted, they will probably become very expensive mud berths for Gin Palaces firmly nailed and bolted top the pontoons!
 
Tomahawk said:
I confess, I do have a vested interest... Part of the proposal is a new travel hoilst that will lift Tomahawk which at over 6m wide will not fit into anything on the East Coast at the moment!
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I think you'll find that 20 ft (6 m) is the maximum beam that SYH can lift with their 75Te travel hoist, so it depends on how much over 6m Tomahawk is:

Boat Movements | Suffolk Yacht Harbour (syharbour.co.uk)

Peter.
 
Cobra said:
At risk of being referred to as a NIMBY by certain members of this establishment, I fail to see why we actually need a second marina in Brightlingsea?

1) The current marina has vacant berths
2) There are moorings available in both North and South channels
3) Morgans themselves have several expensive half tide mud berths available at present.
4) Unless there is a serious commitment to dredging the North Channel + keeping the proposed 'marina' clear from silting, usage will be limited to power boats and shallow draft yachts for probably a maximum of 3 hours either side of high water. With the commitment to dredging comes the next issue of proximity to an SSI (Cindrey Island) and the potential damage/disruption said dredging could cause.

As has already been mooted, they will probably become very expensive mud berths for Gin Palaces firmly nailed and bolted top the pontoons!
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You have a point.

The limiting factor for taking up vacant moorings is car parking spaces within a reasonable distance of the waterfront. It must be very frustrating for terrace house dwellers trying to park near their homes. I've always been surprised that there are no permit spaces for locals.

Brightlingsea is probably the most popular harbour for visiting by sea on the East Coast. You would not expect many visitors switching to Morgan's berthing due to lack of water.

As long as the improved marina has ample car parking spaces I don't think that it should affect the town too much.
 
We used to be in and out of Brightlingsea a lot, but £30 for no power and no water on the pontoon grates a little. We can be on our own anchor if self sufficiency is the plan...A marina with normal facilities (including the ability to float) would be nice...
 
Cobra said:
At risk of being referred to as a NIMBY by certain members of this establishment, I fail to see why we actually need a second marina in Brightlingsea?

1) The current marina has vacant berths
2) There are moorings available in both North and South channels
3) Morgans themselves have several expensive half tide mud berths available at present.
4) Unless there is a serious commitment to dredging the North Channel + keeping the proposed 'marina' clear from silting, usage will be limited to power boats and shallow draft yachts for probably a maximum of 3 hours either side of high water. With the commitment to dredging comes the next issue of proximity to an SSI (Cindrey Island) and the potential damage/disruption said dredging could cause.

As has already been mooted, they will probably become very expensive mud berths for Gin Palaces firmly nailed and bolted top the pontoons!
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If as you say, there is no need.... no one will take up moorings.
Separately, there are no moorings available... I can’t get a mooring off the harbour and a friend with a Sonata can’t get one either.
Morgans have already bought a dredger for maintenance work.

One of the main issues is to be able to service the wind farm bosts. There is nowhere that can lift them in the SE. Given that we are now supporting renewable energy (regardless of whether we like it), there is now a strategic requirement to be able to support the boats that support renewable energy. But building a 80 tonne hoist for wind farm boats alone would be uneconomical.
 
Cobra said:
1) The current marina has vacant berths
2) There are moorings available in both North and South channels
3) Morgans themselves have several expensive half tide mud berths available at present.

Tomahawk said:
"Separately, there are no moorings available... I can’t get a mooring off the harbour and a friend with a Sonata can’t get one either."


Sorry to contradict but unless you applied for a mooring at the start of this season I would say you and your friend with the Sonata have been given the Bums Rush!

I bought 'Pagan Lady' in September last year and have been "Boatless in Brightlingsea" since 2016. I phoned the Harbour Office when our Offer had been accepted on her and was immediately given a choice of mooring options...the only not available option being Pontoon berths! Plenty of midstream fore and aft and plenty of half tide moorings from the Harbour Office...and I am on the waiting list for a Pontoon berth that should be available next season.

Morgans had options of fore and aft on piles in the South Channel, Swinging moorings at the top of the South Channel and half tide pontoon berths .

Further up the North Channel, Underwoods Hard could provide me with a full tide swinging mooring.

We have opted on fore and aft mid stream in the South Channel!

Morgans buying a Dredger for maintenance work is all well and good, BUT they will still have to obtain permission to dredge in such close proximity to an SSI.

Sorry Tomahawk, but the wind farm argument is not even a consideration, unless of course the Wind Farm servicing company have become shareholders in Morgans.

I can understand your desire to have access to a hoist for your boat, but this marina proposal is pure nonsense!

All IMHO!!!
 
I think many are missing the fact that the demand for walk on pontoons is very high.

People aren't as interested in fore and aft moorings, especially when the one next to my pontoon berth is stuck out high in the mud close to low tide. It's just a faff. Especially if you want to bring guests or little ones.

I would be happy to see better quality facilities that keeps a business viable for future years.
 
Cobra said:
Cobra said:
1) The current marina has vacant berths
2) There are moorings available in both North and South channels
3) Morgans themselves have several expensive half tide mud berths available at present.

Tomahawk said:
"Separately, there are no moorings available... I can’t get a mooring off the harbour and a friend with a Sonata can’t get one either."


Sorry to contradict but unless you applied for a mooring at the start of this season I would say you and your friend with the Sonata have been given the Bums Rush!

I bought 'Pagan Lady' in September last year and have been "Boatless in Brightlingsea" since 2016. I phoned the Harbour Office when our Offer had been accepted on her and was immediately given a choice of mooring options...the only not available option being Pontoon berths! Plenty of midstream fore and aft and plenty of half tide moorings from the Harbour Office...and I am on the waiting list for a Pontoon berth that should be available next season.

Morgans had options of fore and aft on piles in the South Channel, Swinging moorings at the top of the South Channel and half tide pontoon berths .

Further up the North Channel, Underwoods Hard could provide me with a full tide swinging mooring.

We have opted on fore and aft mid stream in the South Channel!

Morgans buying a Dredger for maintenance work is all well and good, BUT they will still have to obtain permission to dredge in such close proximity to an SSI.

Sorry Tomahawk, but the wind farm argument is not even a consideration, unless of course the Wind Farm servicing company have become shareholders in Morgans.

I can understand your desire to have access to a hoist for your boat, but this marina proposal is pure nonsense!

All IMHO!!!
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You just described various "mooring" options, but no pontoons vacant. You are on the "waiting list" for a pontoon, so even you would prefer one over a muddy mooring. As for pontoon "waiting lists", anyone who has been on one of those might tell you that you never seem to get to the top of the list.

There is currently a shortage of pontoon berths on the East Coast, particularly for anything around 34ft plus. Bradwell has a waiting list, Burnham Yacht Harbour is full, Shotley only has a few spaces for smaller yachts etc.
 
I will be making objections....

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On the grounds the proposal is not big enough and needs more pontoon and yard facilities.
It’s a vagary of the process. Objectuons get more weight and attention than supporting comments.
 
PaulRainbow said:
There is currently a shortage of pontoon berths on the East Coast, particularly for anything around 34ft plus. Bradwell has a waiting list, Burnham Yacht Harbour is full, Shotley only has a few spaces for smaller yachts etc.
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I'm not surprised . As the baby boomers age, they can perhaps extend their sailing career
by moving from swinging moorings to marina berths. With all the user friendly sail handling aids as well, us geriatrics have never had it so good.

Need a bit more disposable cash ? Just ring the equity release man.
 
Tomahawk said:
Of course I don't know anything.
.... having worked in a planning office doing development control
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And of course I don't know anything, having been a local councillor for many years and seeing the way in which many objections do not count in planning terms. For example, a lot of residents' objections to major proposals centre around the noise and inconvenience of construction traffic. As you well know, these objections do not count in planning terms.
 
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