New Fairline Targa 43 Open

Aha, I see. Blimey, it's amazing how nowadays "Jack of all trades" seems to be the one and only briefing that builders give to boat designers, regardless of the boat type/size... :rolleyes:
 
crazy4557 said:
What is it with modern designs these days, there's no style left, it's all like a block of flats for the smaller boats as they try to squeeze in the most space.
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Agreed, but that seems to be what sells so I guess you can't blame the manufacturers.
 
ari said:
Agreed, but that seems to be what sells so I guess you can't blame the manufacturers.
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It is exactly what sells as most buyers that are serious about spending meaningful time aboard realise that whilst a sleek looking boat would be really cool the accommodation requirements will trump that nearly everytime. Let's be honest you can realistically only ever appreciate the external looks when at anchor, you certainly can't when wedged in a berth - yet you'll appreciate the accommodation everytime you are on board.
 
NGM said:
It is exactly what sells as most buyers that are serious about spending meaningful time aboard realise that whilst a sleek looking boat would be really cool the accommodation requirements will trump that nearly everytime. Let's be honest you can realistically only ever appreciate the external looks when at anchor, you certainly can't when wedged in a berth - yet you'll appreciate the accommodation everytime you are on board.
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Also new model looks can grow on you, I disliked the new Range Rover initially, we now have one.
 
rubberduck said:
What sort of performance figures are they quoting, many of these larger boats suffer in that dept.
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34kts with IPS 600.

I spent some time on-board at SIBS when it was quiet, towards the end of the show, and I was impressed.

The helm position is spot on with regards to the seating, roof, positioning of controls, visibility etc. The show boat I think was lacking a bit of teak opposite the helm.
Accommodation below is very good for a 45ft boat - I could actually walk around without ducking (6ft 3").
There are two layout options - master cabin forward or the master cabin midships.
It does look quite tall from some angles, but that was mainly because it was next to a Targa 48. From the side or bow quarter view, it looks fine. You might have to invest in a super-long boathook. Falling off the high side decks would be quite an event.

Main downside is the somewhat scary list price.

Azimut 43 - it looked as if lots of money went on the helm seats, which are great.
But the rest of the fit-out below wasn't in the same league as the Fairline.

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FlowerPower said:
34kts with IPS 600.

I spent some time on-board at SIBS when it was quiet, towards the end of the show, and I was impressed.

The helm position is spot on with regards to the seating, roof, positioning of controls, visibility etc. The show boat I think was lacking a bit of teak opposite the helm.
Accommodation below is very good for a 45ft boat - I could actually walk around without ducking (6ft 3").
There are two layout options - master cabin forward or the master cabin midships.
It does look quite tall from some angles, but that was mainly because it was next to a Targa 48. From the side or bow quarter view, it looks fine. You might have to invest in a super-long boathook. Falling off the high side decks would be quite an event.

Main downside is the somewhat scary list price.
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Is this going back to the old Fairline days of huge discounts ?
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
That boat looks very tall in the photo. 650,000 is way over priced.

Especially if they want to compete with the Atlantis 43 who is selling bucket loads of them, what still does not look cheap to me at about 500k EUROS vat included.
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I think you have to be careful when comparing the prices for different models as the devil can be in the detail. For example, the Atlantis 43 has 400hp D6 Stern Drives whereas the Targa 43 has IPS600 D6-435's. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that IPS drives will be costlier than stern drives.
 
rich2925 said:
All of the 48ish foot boats I looked at were similar price, I actually thought the Windy 46 was the best option and the only one with 3 cabins.

Why do all the other manufacturers seem to want to put 2 large cabins instead of 3 reasonable size as for a family 3 makes more sense.
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Because full standing height mid cabins with windows looking out to each side seems to be what sells boats at boat shows. Fair play to Windy for giving people an alternative.
 
rubberduck said:
Is this going back to the old Fairline days of huge discounts ?
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As a beneficiary of the prior huge discounts I can say they were popular!

The thing that strikes me is that all of the big names now have eye watering prices. A 65 from Princess is £2m plus.

The price of new boat to be seems completely out of kilter with the second hand market which gives a more accurate reflection of value. Age old problem is that no one really knows what they are selling for but £650k or £1m ( I am no longer sure how much this thing costs) for a 43 ft boot seems extraordinary. Just to add balance if you had said it was £400k I would still regard it as a lot for what is probably seen by the manufacturer as a starter boat.

The same happened with light aircraft. A Piper Arrow could be had for £40k, the new one £400k. In that case it was worse as other than the panel there was no difference. No surprise they were not big sellers.

The flip side is that no boat maker seems to be making money / excessive profits so the cost to produce must also be sky hi. Baviaria automate producing to a huge degree .... and even they went bust ... so discounting etc does not seem a winning strategy.

I suspect that some of this cost is driven by the continual model development. The likes of Princess seem to launch new models all the time, so the R and D has to be recouped on smaller volumes etc. In the " old days" the Squadron 58 for example had circa an 8 year run which gives time to get it right and get your costs back.

Incidentally the bill for my S58 in 2004 was £764,000 inc vat and delivery to Cala Dor. The RPI index tells me this is £1.15, in todays money. I suspect a new 58 foot ( nicer and more modern I am sure) would be pushing £2m inc vat and delivery now. There was a long thread on this a while ago and from memory Deleted User did some analysis
 
It's not just big names and big boats though, it's right across the board. I had a look at a few of the more modest offerings at Southampton at the weekend and a pretty ordinary (ie not Windy or similar) 25ft cuddy cabin boat (so no standing headroom, no seating or galley inside, just a bed and a loo) and an outboard engine on the back is £100,000 plus!

In my head, £100,000 buys a sports cruiser like a Sea Ray or a Beneteau with proper headroom, a decent mid cabin, a dinette and a galley inside, and a inboard sterndrive diesel.

Sadly, it is only in my head at these prices...
 
Perhaps worth mentioning that cars are the same - in my head a new Golf GTI with a decent spec is a £20,000 car.

I was shocked to discover recently that a bog basic Golf GTI is £30,000!

An Audi A6 2.0 diesel is £40,000! That's before you start speccing metallic paint etc, to a reasonable spec it's getting on for £50,000!

£50,000 for a perfectly nice but fairly average dull 2.0 diesel family car!

That's the price of a house! Except of course it isn't anymore. Starter homes are £200,000 these days in many areas.

So maybe cars and boats and houses and everything else aren't getting expensive, maybe I'm just getting old and out of touch.
 
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I wasn't suggesting that it's expensive, just that everything seems to be these days, and that I appear to be turning into my dad ('they'll never get that much for it!') :D
 
Thx. Had a look online. Nicely done.

So I we assume £50k of extras and £10k delivery something like £680k pre discount. You will always get something so call it £600k delivered ( you may well do better than that).

I dont really look at the price of this size boat new but a yachtmarket search shows a Cranchi 44 HT for £564 + vat and a Sealine C430 for 586+, but also a Prestice 460 fly for £539 plus ( which has more space).

I am surprised they are all so high but i suppose they sell?
 
petem said:
Despite what we might think about the pricing, Fairline's dealers must be confident of selling the T43 as all the production slots for this year and next year have been filled.

https://www.ybw.com/news-from-yacht...a-43-wins-at-world-yachts-trophies-2018-69135
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They where selling the same when they went bust a couple of years ago.
Yes dealers are pushed the buy models (at least one) to push the brand, but if it can't sell the sorry I can't buy another one will keep on happening.

I am not saying it want sell, all I am saying is that be careful when a boat is selling because dealers ordered one or two on stock.
While many builders do this, I think it never really worked well in the boating industry.
 
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