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jfm said:
mike, ferretti 850 (6750 litres) has the same approximate displacement and 4000hp as suseeker 86 and princess y85 (both 11000 litres), so the comedy fuel tanks translate to meaningfully smaller range. Like, to do Côte d’Azur to Mallorca planing you have to consider a stop @ Palamos/Barcelona, which is rubbish.
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I was really comparing new Ferrettis with older ones rather than to other brands. There has been a deliberate effort with their newer models to reduce cost not just by reducing grp panel thicknesses but by reducing timber usage inside and stainless steel thicknesses outside and, most importantly to me, reducing the beam of the hulls which was always one of the selling points about Ferretti for me because beam has a disproportionate effect on interior accommodation. What they've also done is fit smaller engines and presumably because of that, downsized the fuel tanks.

Yes having significantly smaller tanks than your immediate competition is a cost cut too far and bonkers marketing but I suppose the Chinese buyers who buy Ferrettis to use as karaoke bars dont care about this. Actually going back to Fairline, one good decision they made on the new Sq68 and 65GTO was to fit bigger tanks the competition and I hope a few buyers sign on the dotted line because of that
 
jfm said:
PS, talking of hulls and quality, I’d recommend any boatbuilder geeks to look at how princess have joined the hull and deck on Y85. The rubbing strake stops well short of the bow and from there forwards they have done an invisible joint. The deck moulding has no release angle. It’s what Princess have done on their other bigger boats and what fairline did on sq 78&65, and now do on sq68, but taken to a whole new level. Ferretti don’t do this even on 920. This is proper boatbuilding and princess should be commended for it (as I have said before on here) but the way they have done it on Y85 is truly outstanding. On this point it’s a case of eat your heart out ferretti.
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Anyways something old not really new. I mean an old Sanlorenzo 70 from 1990 was build this way. It is about time the Brits do catch up.
I commented to Ferretti about this back in the end 90s about the old Fer 80 and at the time they said it is there style to have this kind of feature.
Seems they are still proud of it.....

Also Deleted User for example the Fer 165 had if I remember well 3200 litres of fuel capacity standard and she could be ordered with an extra 500l capacity. (figures are of my mind so I could be mistaken in nos).
But Norberto used to cruise with his boats at the time, and Croatia was not the paradise of today with the war going on.
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
It is about time the Brits do catch up.
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Haha it's not a nationality thing. Fair/Prin do it well; Sunseeker doesn't bother. Sanlorenzo/Canados do it well, Ferretti, Azimut etc don't bother. All in the 20-26m category.
BTW hull/deck joining on that new Canados 808 is a particular work of art. Bravo to them.
 
I’d have thought about 10 hrs is about right .
Not trying to be defensive trying to figure the rationale.
Fuel charts for the v12 1800 @ 1800 rpm a reasonable cruise rpm are obviously bare ( note MapisM :)) somewhere around 275 so add a bit of real world fouling / cruising satires etc let’s round that up to 300 , so 600 L / side from its tanks is more or less 10 hrs .
Reckons to cruise at 26 knots and the 1900 F 8 something? @ 26 .
Those speeds will be over 2000 rpm I reckon .
So maybe JFM has a point .
Depends if you hammer 2 L / pot engines over 2K rpm or be gentle and pull back to 1.8 K ish .

Anyhow 23/24 knots is what theses things seem to do so we are back @10 hrs at 600 Lr .

For me I like the option of long range tankage , because it easier when you arrive at a new place and see a seasonal bun fight at the fuel dock , just to pass with the knowledge you have enough for next day and the next anyhow .

As a yard stick I could easily get to the Balearics in one hit planing .
Just makes life easy having sufficient tankage ..... well in the Med .

Having said all this does anybody know if they will fit custom long range tanks ?
Must be doable .
 
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Yup we are agreeing. It's not just about length of open water passage, because avoiding bun fight at fuel dock at your destination matters too. I like to do Corsica, cruise around it, return home, without ever buying fuel.

When 2 quite similar boats offer 6750 vs 11000 litres, aotbe you'd buy the latter obvs.

Nope they wont fit custom tanks. Its a big job: piping, cross over valves spaghetti, ventpipe, shut off cables, an extra fuel gauge on both dashboards, etc etc. This all upsets the "auto mentality" production line. Fairine did it because they were essentially making hand built boats and there was no production line effect where job A had to be done in X hours so the boat could trolley to the next stage.

Sirena do custom. They offered me 15000 litres in Sirena 88
 
vas said:
but can you live with the side elevation of this boat J?
some of the pics I've seen are truly bad (or vile as Markc puts it - nice word should use it more :D )

V.
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I have to say I quite like the styling. Different but distinctive. I could certainly live with that
 
vas said:
but can you live with the side elevation of this boat J?
some of the pics I've seen are truly bad (or vile as Markc puts it - nice word should use it more :D )

V.
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I get your point: side elev isn't its strongest point though imho it is ok. Tender handling doesn't seem great. Deck spaces, interior fit out, engine room, fuel load, helpful builder, etc are very strong points
 
vas said:
some of the pics I've seen are truly bad (or vile as Markc puts it - nice word should use it more :D )
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Assuming that they published in their website the best pics/videos they got, I can only think that the whole boat is a total eyesore, bound to be even worse in flesh...! :ambivalence:
 
jfm said:
Yup we are agreeing. It's not just about length of open water passage, because avoiding bun fight at fuel dock at your destination matters too. I like to do Corsica, cruise around it, return home, without ever buying fuel.

When 2 quite similar boats offer 6750 vs 11000 litres, aotbe you'd buy the latter obvs.

Nope they wont fit custom tanks. Its a big job: piping, cross over valves spaghetti, ventpipe, shut off cables, an extra fuel gauge on both dashboards, etc etc. This all upsets the "auto mentality" production line. Fairine did it because they were essentially making hand built boats and there was no production line effect where job A had to be done in X hours so the boat could trolley to the next stage.
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You only need shut off valves ( the fire thing ) on the two main tanks that feed the engines .
So no extra work .
You don’t need a gauge on any reserve( s) as they fill the main(s) .
But remember, or don’t forget they been topped off .
Two cocks one to open and another to enter a tank .The balancer pipe will spread it .... eventually.

Hard part is finding space , but as you say it’s a dead duck if the hull has got x hrs at stand y then will be moved on .

You would be looking for another 4000 L space to bring it up to rival standards.
Loose a cabin or custom tank under the sole , which cocks up the std fit of other stuff in there .Hmm can see it’s gonna be a no .
 
to clarify

this is ok:

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this is not so much ok:
Sirena-88-Yacht.jpg


I admit I haven't studied layout and I understand the top is the initial rendering by the designer which eventually turned to the one at the bottom, but as it's usually (OK, always...) the case the drawings look better than the implementation.

Impressive nevertheless

V.
 
:)

P. you'll probably agree that this 10min pshop looks better (should have removed the whole lot there...). Mind, no idea what the bit that I removed was for.

Sirena-88-Yacht[vbedit].jpg


cheers

V.

PS. yes I'm bored and too tired to do any proper work right now
 
Sirena has really a small hull. I would be concerned about that. In proportion aft that is over 2 meters of less water line length? Why to keep it at under 24m?
Possible because of the vertical bow they had to end in this. So two important deficiencies in the Sirena 88, less buoyancy forward, and slapping aft section if you have a following swell which stay and rattles you all day and much worse night long.
 
MapisM said:
U must be joking, PF.
I wouldn't want a tank arrangement like the one you are describing on my humble boat, let alone an 80+ footer that pretends to be state of the art.
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Completely agreed. Porto that tank arrangement would be just rubbish; I'd never spec that.
But as you say it is academic. There just will not be space to drop a multi thousand litre tank in the bilge easily so you need a builder willing to do custom/semi custom build, which rules out the "auto production line" types.
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Sirena has really a small hull. I would be concerned about that. In proportion aft that is over 2 meters of less water line length? Why to keep it at under 24m?
Possible because of the vertical bow they had to end in this. So two important deficiencies in the Sirena 88, less buoyancy forward, and slapping aft section if you have a following swell which stay and rattles you all day and much worse night long.
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All agreed PYB. I thought exactly that when on the boat. Tender handling is a worry too.

I think they reduced WLL (they told me) to get under 24mLLL. It strikes me as strange because WLL does not feature afaik in the measurement of LLL. They are certain it is under 24m LLL and comes with paperwork to prove that, so ok.
 
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