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having to put into blythe marina nr newcastle, due to engine problem we are now in situation were cost to repair not feasable.so replacment engines.....
cant sail her home, and she cant be moved by road..to big....
so any suggestions ????
 
Thats a Challenge.

Hi there,

Now for some detail please.

What is the boat.
Make
size
year.

where has it got to go.


NOW IS THERE OTHER OPTION?

sorry for shouting.

have a nice day.

Les.
 
If they are GM / Detroits, the repair must be cheaper than replacement .... and at worst, there must be hundreds of them around to replace the ones you have... at a very low cost indeed ... eg... http://www.goldcoastpower.com/product_engine.cfm

If they are 6V-92's they will be a bit stressed at 550, but should get 1500 - 2500 hrs between re-builds (guess at £1500 per cylinder, but then you get "as good as new condition with cylinder liners, rings and all) ...if V8's less stressed, so longer lifespan.... Also strange that two has blown at same time with similar effects... On all these you can do a in-situ re-build as you probably have ample room around and above the engines in the Versilcraft..

http://www.goldcoastpower.com/product_details.cfm?product_ID=85820

Ignore my rambelings above, if they are not Detroits...
 
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icepatrol said:
having to put into blythe marina nr newcastle, due to engine problem we are now in situation were cost to repair not feasable.so replacment engines.....
cant sail her home, and she cant be moved by road..to big....
so any suggestions ????
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Why dont you employ a special road (boat) haulage company to move the boat home? That way you will have some time to ponder the best cause of action and avoid making a mistake based upon haste and desperation to get things sorted.
 
I think i would be looking at getting it towed to home port by commercial operation if the cost is not to horrendus.

with regards to engines these should be able to rebuild relativly easily ...... new engines will be very expensive.

it may also be worth looking at insurance as this may pay out depending on the circumstances of the failure... or is it a case of old engines pushed to hard on delivery trip??
 
thanks for your input....
no old engines have only 800 hrs on them. and were kept well under max throttle.
seems a worn pipe caused water into pistons.
would anyone know of any towing opertors on the east coast ???
 
So your the biggy on the visitors pontoon taking up all the space! (Joking)
Dont know whats your plans but if you considering a tow I see these 2 all the time on the Tyne and are worth a phone call.
C & J Marine Services Ltd 0191 2950072
Tyne Towage Ltd 0191 4281881
Should be going to the yacht club Sunday for lunch so will try and find you for a chat but I had better take the rib cos theres not much space on the pontoon at the minute for anything bigger! Will send you a PM with my number on but you will have to text cos its on divert for the weekend and I will call you back.
Mike
 
sorry i have no advice but it just has to be said. some of the people on this forum are total diamonds. ready to jump into action to help out a fellow boatman. good to know there are still good people out there, so easy to forget that in this day and age.
 
Confused about worn pipe getting water into pistons...

Fresh water pump driven by blower shaft feeds water from exchanger to block jacket and round via fuel cooler (was this the point?) and oil cooler....

If water was fed in with injectors, you'd have a fair bit of vibration and quite rapid shut-down, but failure should not be "catastrophic". Cleanup and new injectors should do the job..

Raw water pump feeds water through intercooler and straight into the exchanger and out again through the exhaust elbow, which is close to turbo and as such air inlet (another point where water may have entered).

If water have entered the combustion chamber in reasonable volume, you probably would have hydrolocked (water don't compress very well), and failure would probably have been "big bang" stuff..

Another way that water may have entered is through a cracked block....

Sorry just speculating on how it could have happened... and not really helping you out getting the boat home, so will shut up until I have anything constructive to contribute with...
 
pretty confused myself regarding how the engine failed. have yet to see the official report Alf.
whatever it is we need her home so at least then we can keep a eye on her and work in progress.
its even been suggested that we sail her on the one remaining engine ????
shiver me timbers
 
Have a mate escort you and go for it on the one engine, most commercial vessels only have one engine. To me the whole point of two engines is the get you home factor.
 
Sorry....The way i read your PM was that one engine was out oat start ...and now Port Engine went...

Simlples... If Starboard engine is fine and not the one which picks up RPM before engaging gear (ref PM .... and if so fix linkage), check fuel filters (after a run post lying still for quite some time there will be sediments from the tanks stirred), and replace. Prepare to leave... Do your checks and inform coastguard of intent, and speak with intender arrival ports in respect of that you need some help when mooring.... Set off and enjoy the trip in slow mode (You'll still be faster than most yachts). Keep at approx 1200 RPM as you'll struggle to get the turbo kicking in properly and you're better off keeping below the level where it kicks in ... also will be low displacement speed for hull... so will be econonical. BTW .... Make sure you can generate power for the electrics needed underway

Safe journey !!! ... and if you could get an escort part of the way, that would reduce your worries a bit... but see very little reason for not continuing on one healthy engine ... Transport by land or sea will set you back somewhere around £5 - 8 K, so that is half of your repair cost ...
 
New engines required

hlb said:
Icepatrol seems to be peculiarly lacking in information, so could see no point in entering in the thread.

The strength of the forum is the input not the output.
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Have I missed something or is one engine still working fine ( new engines required? ) What is the make and model of the engines. Is there visible damage to either of them? i.e. a crack in the casing or a con rod sticking out, who said that the engine/s was/were ****ed, how do you know that there is water in the bores have you had an injector taken out (if the engine won`t turn) What was the compitence level of the diagnostician (good word eh? )they wern`t possibly trying to "take your trousers down" as many would in a similar situation, have you had a second opinion locally from a one man band yet?

Too much detail has ben left our for me to give any opinion, other than to say have the one running engine checked out fully for compitence and as has been already said run her home on that. taking an engineer with you in case of further breakdown.(possibly overkill) but would demonstrate that you take your duty of care seriously, after all how many boats do you know of that run on single engines, 80%? Oh run out and check out your anchor winch and chain to make sure that you have that in an emergency, notify port of arrival that you will be on single engine and may need somebody to take lines etc (I think this was already said)
 
If you are going to run with one dead engine, think about locking off the dead engines prop shaft, to avoid bearing problems later.

Clean off any oily residue on the section of engine room accessable shaft (thinners), between the coupling and the stern-gland. Find a length of good braided, yottie sheet rope and secure one end to a strong point close to the shaft.
Take about 6 turns around the cleaned shaft the way it will naturally turn (depending on left or right handed prop) as it moves through the water, then back to the strong point for tie off.

Travel in good weather during your voyage, as it will hold course more easily, but be mindful of the wandering off course, in this case sounds like to port.

If you have trim tabs and you are running on stb. only, put your stb. tab down to help her track on course.
 
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Engines are Detroit Diesel 8V-92 rated at 550 Hp...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujxxYYfJjZ0&feature=related

Very reliable lumps and should be good for several thousand hours between rebuilds... (guess that these have been standing still too long) .. at 550 Hp these ones are not highly strung as I have seen over 800 Hp taken out of this block.

Replaceable wet liners and all parts should be relatively easy to obtain ... even to a reconditioned block. Engines used in industrial applications across the world in various configurations vrom V6 to V24's... (Same principles and cylinder volume, but adding more cylinders). All 92 series have interchangable parts, and also share most parts with the 71 series (which are dry liners and smaller sylinder volume).

Knowing the engines, and if the one left is in good nick, I would not have any conserns running on single, healthy engine.

Give these lumps clean fuel (see above on filters), air and lube oil, and they will run on half the cylinders in the block and still get you home..
 
thanks guys....much food for thought but very helpful....
especially Alf..well done sir....i will keep u posted.
best wishes.
james.
 
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