New engines for Channel Islands 22?

I have limited experience with boat engines, but the reason that we have our daily bread delivered by lorries with common rail engines is due to more and more stringent emissions legislation. I can tell you that in agriculture it is a real pain. The old smelly engines would run for tens of thousands of hours as long as they had clean fuel. Now we are plagued with problems such as sticking EGR valves, and any injector / fuel pump problems cost a fortune to sort out.
Electronics and cow muck are not good partners, nor are electronics and salt water.
Returning to the OP, would a couple of recon Ford engines fit the bill, as supplied by Lancing Marine. I think that they were fitted to some CI 22s, and would be a cheaper option.
 
Lot's to think about, thanks. I will update the thread once we have decided what to do. I have never been out on a Seaward 23, is it very different to the boat I have? They certainly seem to be selling for a lot more.
 
We tried a Seaward 25 before we bought our Aquastar, but found it a bit like driving a pickup sandwiched between windscreens. I think an extended wheelhouse version would be popular.
 
Barleycorn said:
I have limited experience with boat engines, but the reason that we have our daily bread delivered by lorries with common rail engines is due to more and more stringent emissions legislation. I can tell you that in agriculture it is a real pain. The old smelly engines would run for tens of thousands of hours as long as they had clean fuel. Now we are plagued with problems such as sticking EGR valves, and any injector / fuel pump problems cost a fortune to sort out.
Electronics and cow muck are not good partners, nor are electronics and salt water.
Returning to the OP, would a couple of recon Ford engines fit the bill, as supplied by Lancing Marine. I think that they were fitted to some CI 22s, and would be a cheaper option.
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Spent most of my working life in diesel engine development I can say as a fact the advent of electronic engines produced a revelation in diesel engine reliability and durability, the warranty numbers speak for themselves, meeting emissions is simply the price of entry into the market, all this coupled with superior sociability and fuel consumption.

I have friends at Cat/CNH/Deere and whenever we meet up we swap stories about regarding the numpty antics of their customers, most farmers have no clue about the meaning of clean fuel. I have witnessed the tailgate of a clapped out tipping trailer being welded up whilst still attached to the tractor then same farmer complains about ECM reliability! Many numpty operators deserve everything they get.

Old CAV hydraulically governed DPA pump bodies are NLA and genuine CAV nozzles are no longer cheap as chips. Common rail by comparison generally only requires replacement of a single injector and not the set, Bosch CP3 pumps are about £300 to overhaul and Bosch common rail injectors are being serviced for around £100 each.

I spend a lot of time sorting out Lancing bent wire and plumbers copper tube bodge ups, the XLD's currently being sold can best be described loosely as reconditioned and would cost about £4k a side, whilst a Chinese Marine Power unit would be around £3k complete with panel loom and transmission and yes I have had to eat humble pie on this stuff.
 
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Well, having run the numbers for both refurbished units and Chinease engines from e.g. marine-power, we have come to the conclusion that it does not make sense financially to put new engines in the old boat, at least while the ones we have still work. Instead, we will look into any sound proofing options that may exist and give the BMWs a thorough overhaul during the winter. Once again, thank you for all the information, suggestions and help, it is very much appreciated.

The Channel Islands 22 is a good boat and the money we have saved may go towards a bigger boat later. Quite fancy a 32.

Cheers, John
 
Probably the subject of a new thread but thought I'd ask it here as it is still related to our CI22…

My wife has started asking about the options should we decide to sell the CI22 rather than spend money on refurbishing it, sound proofing etc. I have started doing some research but haven't really found a modern 'new build' equivalent, other than the Seaward 23, which appears to be way above our budget. So, does such a boat exist in terms of length, speed, sea kindliness etc? What would you guys recommend? I'd like to keep the CI22 but have promised to present some alternatives… happy wife, happy life and all that. Thanks in advance, any suggestions welcome.

Cheers, John
 
John.l said:
Probably the subject of a new thread but thought I'd ask it here as it is still related to our CI22…

My wife has started asking about the options should we decide to sell the CI22 rather than spend money on refurbishing it, sound proofing etc. I have started doing some research but haven't really found a modern 'new build' equivalent, other than the Seaward 23, which appears to be way above our budget. So, does such a boat exist in terms of length, speed, sea kindliness etc? What would you guys recommend? I'd like to keep the CI22 but have promised to present some alternatives… happy wife, happy life and all that. Thanks in advance, any suggestions welcome.

Cheers, John
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How about this......perfect IMO

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Fishing-Boats-for-sale/mitchell-mark-ii/88956
 
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Excellent, thanks for that, looks ideal. Something along those lines would convince me to buy a newer boat.

How do the lighter, modern boats compare, e.g. Merry Fishers, Arvors, Orkneys etc? Does the weight make a big difference or has hull design progressed a lot in the last 30 odd years?
 
John.l said:
Excellent, thanks for that, looks ideal. Something along those lines would convince me to buy a newer boat.

How do the lighter, modern boats compare, e.g. Merry Fishers, Arvors, Orkneys etc? Does the weight make a big difference or has hull design progressed a lot in the last 30 odd years?
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I've had a Merry fisher 625, very light and soon got out of her comfort zone when it gets rough, but for the same price as this Mitchell you could buy a much newer boat....but you get what you pay for.

I have a Mitchell 31 and the hull is very good, gives masses of confidence, the 22 has the same hull design. Not many 22's about as an expensive boat when new when compared to French / Polish equivalent (MF/Arvors). If you have liked your CI22 I'm not sure what you would think of a MF/Arvors...perhaps worth trying one. But Orkney a cut above MF/Arvors .
 
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