Talulah
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The main sheet arrangement seems a little unorthodox.
New design Bavaria 32 - an above average AWB?
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mainsail1
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My advice results from a costly experience with a Bavaria. Even if you buy a new one, have a full survey before you accept it. Something I never thought was necessary with a new boat until too late!
Also, because they take the money before delivery, payment is full of risk which needs careful thought.
Good luck!
Also, because they take the money before delivery, payment is full of risk which needs careful thought.
Good luck!
rwoofer
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I have to say I've never quite understood how people seem to get thrown around in their boats. When below I always move around carefully and if it is a bit rougher will be more careful. The only time where I did find it difficult was on a 18 hour beat into a force 6 from Falmouth to Camaret and I think that was mostly down to straightforward fatigue.
The only thing I can currently come up with is that my ape-like handspan must make all the difference...and the fact I can wedge my head into the headlining on nearly all boats
...but Swmbo never complains either.
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
Actually they have taken that detail from the previous late 90's version of the 31...
I think that boat feels a lot like mine....
Thenmainsheet is a bit weird at first... But does work fairly well...
Was going to change it , but couldn't be bothered in the end.
Tranona
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That was one of the attractions to me when I was thinking of buying one as the coachroof mounted mainsheet common on many AWBs is inconvenient for singlehanding. For obvious reasons these boats don't lend themselves to cockpit travellers so that arrangement has some merit. Would make it difficult to fit a good bimini though if you were Med sailing.
Aja
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Here we go again, the Average White Boat vs. Manky Auld Boat debate.
If the OP is looking at AWBs then why try to persuade him his choice is wrong and that he ought to shoe-horn himself and perhaps his family into a cramped boat designed over 40 years ago.
I agree that Contessas are pretty boats and I love looking at other peoples. I'd never buy one though, and YM could hardly stick the boot in a sailing classic could they? It would be like kicking a puppy.
Each to his own, and for what it's worth I saw the Bavaria Cruiser 33 at Interboot2012, and very nice it was too.
Where the Contessa excels - getting intimately aquainted with the elements ....
Where the Bavaria excels - family fun, comfort and space ....
Yes and one is sailing and the other........
Regards
Donald
Tranona
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So, what difference does that make. The people in each picture seem to be doing what they want to do, and the ones in the lower picture are clearly enjoying themselves.
jordanbasset
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Don't you know the only way you can enjoy yourself on a yacht is when heeled over and getting wet. Also helps if you cannot stand up when down below and have the delight of watching each other use the heads, that's proper sailing
awol
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All I asked was if it was different from the Bavaria used in the YM comparison with the Contessa 32 where IIRC the heads was the only +ve feature. Had Bavaria taken on board any of the criticism made by the UK's premier cruising magazine? ... and it would appear from the posts above the answer is a resounding "no" and they have added the (to me) -ve of no main sheet track.
Georgio
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Actually, I have been thinking about this AWOL. Given that most Bav owners probably put a greater deal of importance on comfort, safety and cost than sailing performance the lack of a traveller could be seen as a positive step for them. Less cost, no traveller to trap fingers, one less thing to think about for novice sailors, for many this is going to seem as an improvement.
Not my cup of tea though, not enough stuff to tweak.
jordanbasset
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Sure you are right, Bavaria do not know what they are doing, will probably sell few if any Bav 32's. Contessa 32's on the other hand will probably sell in such numbers supply will not be able to keep up. This will surely show the superiority of the Contessa as the only real test is whether people are prepared to pay their hard earned money on them.
Does any one know how many Bav 32's compared to Contessa 32's have been sold?
awol
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About 1000 Co32s - no idea about Bav 32s. I do know no keels have fallen of CO32s but that is just as relevant as the numbers sold. YM's comparison may not have been to your liking but was impartial and certainly not driven by the marketing department. Like others, I find the comparison invidious - the only similarities being LOA and the opportunity to hoist sails.
Mr Cassandra
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How sad 1000 co32 in forty years no wonder they went out of business. what's that 25 a year.at a guess baveria about 25 a month.
I am very impressed with those oversize winches on the co32
awol
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I answered the question as best I was able. I can't see what the rate of build has to do with anything. That people still commission the build of a 40 year old design is a fact and do so in preference to buying a Bavaria, just as considerably more will buy a new Bavaria - but then it is also a fact that the majority are plebs. It doesn't change the criticisms of the Bavaria 32 made in the YM comparison or in the Sailing Today review.
Incidently, you can have any winch you want - mine are Lewmar 42ST and manage the No1 without too much effort
robertj
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Tranona
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Have no idea why you keep on at this. You have already agreed that any comparison is pointless. Just as relying on "impartial" comment from journalists is misleading. They are just as biased and partial as you or I. When they agree with our view we praise them, when they don't we say they don't know what they are talking about. You can often see that here when people call in journalists to support their views - often claiming they are not critical enough (of things the accuser does not like, of course).
AFAIK NO keels have fallen off Bavaria 32s. Why do you keep on about this when it was only one design of boat that had a problem. I might comment on how many Contessa 27s have sunk because of badly designed and built lifting keels if it would make you happy, or have had the rudder pull out of the transom because of underspecified hangings. But of course we must not mention those! But I do remember one of our club members being proud of the fact that he carried a whole spare rudder when he did offshore races - and needed it once.
Not everybody wants a narrow wet old fashioned boat that they can "tweek". Some have the money to buy something different and exercise their right to choose what suits them without having to listen to other people criticising that choice. Many use their boats in situations where a Contessa 32 or similar would be totally unsuitable.
Boats like the Bavaria 32 and its competitors from the other big builders sell in their thousands because people like them. Despite what you think they are robust and long lasting. Mine has done more miles in 12 years than most boats do in a lifetime, used and abused by 20 different crews at least a year. Nothing that is Bavaria unique has failed. The major failures (which are few) have all been in equipment that is exactly the same as fitted in an HR.
Nobody is asking everybody else to like the boat, but but I do often wonder what supporters of cheap old boats would buy if they did actually have £80-100k of their own money to spend on a boat.
awol
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Well, first of all there is the vicarious pleasure of winding up the AWB apologists. What I thought I was trying to compare was the "new" Bav 32 and the "old" Bav32, the one that YM put side by side with a CO32. Mischievous perhaps but the "new" version does not appear to have any improvements over the "old" even in simple features like instrument space and fiddles - perhaps improvement over perfection is impossible in your mind.
As for the CO32, I am well aware of its drawbacks but having experienced some AWBs, but not, I admit, the latest Bav 32, I am more than happy to suffer them.
doug748
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doug748
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Now we all know that he said no such thing, nor did he imply it.
You are a silly-billy and win the official *Toady of the day:
http://www.glasswings.com.au/comics/ozyandmillie.au/2000/om20000723.html
*With thanks to Toadoftoadhall for the initial idea.
