New boat

[benjenbav]

I think the vast majority are aware that all boats are a compromise. If there was one single perfect hull shape, we’d all have it, but there’s not as boats are designed for different lifestyles and use. Surely no more needs to be said than that?!

Indeed! Lindsay Lord’s clients included those who wanted to outrun the US coastguard in any sort of seaway in the days of Prohibition and the US Military who wanted the ability to go faster than their bad guys in similar conditions.

Leisure boat builders have to cater for different priorities: maximum volume for a given length; luxury; comfort at anchor; etc. Because that’s what their market demands.

 

[Portofino]

Porto. No one except you cares.
Accommodation livability and style is more important than the hull within reason.
Base your choice purely on the hull and you end up with an Itama.
Then you spend you life defending your choice of a boat that is flawed in so many ways by saying ad infinitum “it is all about the hull”

Is that why it’s only on 1000 hours after 20 years. So much time defending your boat choice that you don’t have time to use it? Or maybe it’s the inefficiency and high fuel burn of a high deadrise (something you fail to mention) that means you cant afford to? I am averaging four times that amount of hours in my, according to you, flawed boat in which no one will want to go anywhere.

You guys keep bringing it up .
I haven’t ,mentioned it on here . Only popped dead rise in a post by post #85 ( from memory ) the one with the new Pred 65 IPS finding it had to ease up in 3/4 ! . Alternatives for £3 M on the water are a Pershing 6X or OTAM 65 ….which you will not notice a F3/4 running , or be forced to ease up the throttle .

There you go again bringing in my boat for some reason only known to your self and Mr Google …looks like you have some understanding re fuel burn …..but there’s a difference going 30 knots over 20 knots of the 20 M IPs Pred .Or AN other 14/15 M like a targa 48 GT …better comparison.Buts let’s please not go there .There is only so much room in the sand pit .

Just your clique that doesn’t care , always mentioning Itama then , trying to shout me down .
Not defending anything. Just saying it as it is , as you just have the accommodation vs seakeeping with a twist of floating apartment thrown in ….like that Pred 65 .Times have changed builders are following the market …..but then they ( the ones still left solvent ) always have .That’s a given so we are agreeing or I am not disagreeing with you on that point .Who would ?
Plenty of high hrs Itama used commercially in the Naples area btw .

For me seeing as you have raised our usage Its not about fuel or hrs it’s about time quality time on the thing .Got other lives / hobbies. Aside will boat with a dog , an old dog of 15 coming to end of life ….kinda a bit restrictive. Having said that I have put 600 on since season 2015 .Even been over to see Bouba for a week 2019 .
Covid effectively took two seasons out here in Italy Remember as well .

Great to here you do a lot of hrs btw even if the relevance is lost on me and probably others .
Thx for not swearing as well Mark .

 

[Portofino]

Indeed! Lindsay Lord’s clients included those who wanted to outrun the US coastguard in any sort of seaway in the days of Prohibition and the US Military who wanted the ability to go faster than their bad guys in similar conditions.

Leisure boat builders have to cater for different priorities: maximum volume for a given length; luxury; comfort at anchor; etc. Because that’s what their market demands.

A voice of reason at last .

 

[benjenbav]

A voice of reason at last .

How very dare you! I’m just as mad as the next guy.

 

[Mr Googler]

Sorry Porto....I call BS

How old is the ….did I read “ IPS “ .
D6 out drives to IPS , it’s a different boating career .Good luck !
Well there’s a VP franchise Sud marine diesel as close as you can get to Antibes marina, the only up side i can think of .
They know how to charge as well ,Speaking from experience.

Dig

Have you been out in one ?

Leading to a Dig

Hull looks very flat , and not a great deal of sharp fore foot either .Some IPs cross compensate the low deadrise by a sharper sections from station 5 the midline ( blue tripod prop in the pic ) to the bow .
From the pic it only sharpens from the tripod @ station 8 .

Cant find any running reviews .But it’s in waves and chop that maters imho .

It looks like a possible slammer thus far .

Dig

Now...I do it to you quite a lot....fair enough....but i own up to that. You give me ammo though

We know where your values are in boat purchasing criteria....no probs. Can you see how your replies lead others to think you struggle to accept theirs?

I wont mention Itama again....until you do. That seems fair

btw....I have a offshore holy grail race hull boat as you know.....load of crap at anchor

 

[rafiki_]

Porto. No one except you cares.
Accommodation livability and style is more important than the hull within reason.
Base your choice purely on the hull and you end up with an Itama.
Then you spend you life defending your choice of a boat that is flawed in so many ways by saying ad infinitum “it is all about the hull”

Is that why it’s only on 1000 hours after 20 years. So much time defending your boat choice that you don’t have time to use it? Or maybe it’s the inefficiency and high fuel burn of a high deadrise (something you fail to mention) that means you cant afford to? I am averaging four times that amount of hours in my, according to you, flawed boat in which no one will want to go anywhere.

Your Sealine performs extremely well. As does the Azi 39. I don’t give a fig about deadrise numbers, but do care how a boat feels and performs. The Azi has an incredibly soft ride, that passengers enjoy. Fuel burn is impressive too.

 

[Portofino]

Sorry Porto....I call BS



Dig



Leading to a Dig



Dig

Now...I do it to you quite a lot....fair enough....but i own up to that. You give me ammo though

We know where your values are in boat purchasing criteria....no probs. Can you see how your replies lead others to think you struggle to accept theirs?

I wont mention Itama again....until you do. That seems fair

btw....I have a offshore holy grail race hull boat as you know.....load of crap at anchor

No digs factually correct I genuinely think .
Its was and still isn’t “my values “ Was the Ops .still is , but were never told the criteria .
I have complimented the guys boat more on aggregate than what you consider a dig .
Its only a dig when you guys are eager to miss interpret .That eager ness is illustrated by you guys the clique never answering specific Q s raised .It is a forum after all .

I think the sea trail with VP in the ER was done in benign sea states .Why wouldn’t it be ? You know see WOT etc and of course think of VP safety .
” flying of waves “ as per the Pred 65 link is not conducive with an engineer and his equipment in the ER .

The Ops flounced off .Wish he had my resolve to get things done .
In my previous regiment the parachute regiment in the early 80 s we had a saying .
” when the going gets tough the tough get going “

I can’t be doing with any of this forum flakiness or clique formation .
If theres anything factually incorrect then evidence the fact and I am more than happy to concede , change my view .
Buts there has been zero engagement .*
A pic ( there must be some ) of the sea trail sea state .
A alternative professor of NA s view ..?
A u tube vid of said boat chomping along in a chop ..there’s Plenty on Axopars btw ….funny that .

Rather than me do all the leg work , post links etc .
* I mean from the Op ..

speaking for him now , but he’s flounced off …
.” It’s got a wonder full feel of space and airy nes , I like the ( Mrs JWads ) the cavernous mid cabin , I,am particularly attracted to the tech side of the super manoeuvrability of the IPS .The apparent fuel savings in todays climate won’t go unappreciated either .Its Italian styling is nothing short of superb thanks to the then FL Stylist Mancini .
Yes it’s odd the deadrise is omitted in the specs while competition quote it .Aside for our usage on balance it’s the best choice and thus far can’t wait to get using her “Happy to trade the seakeeping thingy for the space and economy and joystick of the IPs .Others might differ .Cest La vie .” It’s got a terrific build quality to boot .

Something like that .
See the compliments …..tell it as it is .All of it .

 

[Portofino]

Your Sealine performs extremely well. As does the Azi 39. I don’t give a fig about deadrise numbers, but do care how a boat feels and performs. The Azi has an incredibly soft ride, that passengers enjoy. Fuel burn is impressive too.

Ask mark ( Elassar ) and mr Google your clique mates , why they mentioned it then very early in this thread .
I brought it in at post #85 ish ? Waaaaay after those too .

 

[Greg2]

FWIW I don’t think the OP ‘flounced’ off Porto - he simply bowed out with a polite explanation why he wouldn’t be around. Only in social media land does doing that get referred to in pejorative terms.

 

[Portofino]

FWIW I don’t think the OP ‘flounced’ off Porto - he simply bowed out with a polite explanation why he wouldn’t be around. Only in social media land does doing that get referred to in pejorative terms.

What land is this ? Open to new descriptions…..any one ?

 

[Mr Googler]

A clique with @Elessar ! I dont think so…he’s got the same boat as Seacock I think……….I just couldnt get past that ??

I’ll be in a clique with @Rafiki no problem ??

 

[Elessar]

Your Sealine performs extremely well. As does the Azi 39. I don’t give a fig about deadrise numbers, but do care how a boat feels and performs. The Azi has an incredibly soft ride, that passengers enjoy. Fuel burn is impressive too.

Time to ignore. He’s even moaning now that people have stopped responding to him.

I didn’t reply yesterday because I was out in my boat. Whereas he was in here defending his boat.

Deadrise numbers or enjoyment numbers? Remind me what a boat is for?

 

[SammyB]

Congratulations on a great boat ... I am sure you will enjoy it and be very happy!!!

As mentioned on another IPS v Shafts thread, I have lots of friends here in the SoF with IPS boats. They're all very happy with their choices and have no regrets. No complaints about high maintenance costs (at least no more than usual) or seakeeping ... or their boat's ability to handle the sometimes variable Med conditions. I'm not sure why people on these forums find it so difficult to embrace new technology, see that there are pros and the cons of both old and new, accept that everyone has different priorities and expectations, and there isn't always only one correct answer.

We have had 2 boats with IPS plus bow thrusters and as you have said above like others we have had no regrets and no unusually large maintenance bills.

 

[Portofino]

We have had 2 boats with IPS plus bow thrusters and as you have said above like others we have had no regrets and no unusually large maintenance bills.

What age were they ?

 

[Portofino]

deleted - double post .

 

[rafiki_]

Time to ignore. He’s even moaning now that people have stopped responding to him.

I didn’t reply yesterday because I was out in my boat. Whereas he was in here defending his boat.

Deadrise numbers or enjoyment numbers? Remind me what a boat is for?

Yes, I automatically scroll past any Porto posts. They are either offensive or rubbish.