New battery charger - Victron or Mastervolt?

Well, with apologies for all the helpful contributions, latest info is that the existing charger (I was going to say current charger, but I don't know if bjb is here to tell me off or not) is actually ok.

After a lot of digging around, the evidence is that the batteries have good capacity (they are only six months old), the charger is delivering 13.7V, but the domestic panel is showing a voltage that varies between 13.7V and about 12V depending on load.

The domestic panel is powered from the a heavy duty 12V switch box, which in turn is powered from the batteries.

Having checked all the voltages with a meter, it seems that voltage is being lost in the HD box, which looks like this:

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You can see the domestic contactor clearly labelled; the bus bar it is connected to is fed from an isolation switch at the bottom of the box (you can see the two heavyish red cables and the two connecting studs). The other side of this switch is connected to the left busbar, which is connected to the batteries.

I found a voltage drop of about 1V across that isolation switch; I exercised it a few times and the voltage drop reduces to something less than 0.1V. (I tried shorting the switch out with a screwdriver and got the same tiny voltage drop, so that last <0.1V must be a loss somewhere else).

Here's a better view of the isolator switch:

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And from the outside:

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In practice this switch never gets switched off; it serves to disconnect the domestic and non-essential circuits from the service batteries, I guess so you can still use them to start the port engine in the event of some complex fault. However, I can't believe that this prob will solve itself so I need to replace it.

Apologies again for the slight timewastery elements of this thread. However, I do at least know what charger to buy when the time does eventually come.
 
Apologies again for the slight timewastery elements of this thread. However, I do at least know what charger to buy when the time does eventually come.
Never a waste of time Jimmy,
1/ Glad you've saved a few bob
2/Think some of us have picked up some valuable experience from others

Me: That my MasterVolt has an information bus to play with, I'll read the manual a bit more now.
 
I'm sitting on my boat with it's seven year old Ctek 25 amp charger & have just turned the power of & then on again - it works. Why you think it will die?

Thank you,

John G

That made me go & test my car charger! It seems my brain has malfunctioned again.

I put the car on charge, switched power off for 45mins & back on - charger carried on as before. Maybe because it gets power from the battery so it keeps it's setting.

Anyway thought it best to come clean :o
 
Poecheng, are you sure that two 25 amp chargers would operate as you suggest? As a satisfied user of one 25 amp Ctek, I would happily buy another but fear that the output from one might be "read" by the other & the result might not be as desired.

John G


Hi John,

I haven't tried it for myself but that is my understanding as to what can be achieved - cannot cite source ATM. [It might even me Mastervolt !]

I have also wondered recently about one charging source affecting a second charging source - where one senses the voltage of the other charging source rather than the battery. There was a long raggie electrical thread where this was answered explicitly by a knowledgeable chap (cannot remember his name but former BBC engineer and clearly knew his onions) who's essential answer was that it doesn't matter and that they all sort themselves out!

Cheers
 
However, I can't believe that this prob will solve itself so I need to replace it.

did you switch off that switch when boat was on the dry and while you took out the engines ?
if so,
perhaps there was some oxidation or dust on the switch contacts, causing this voltage drop ?
switching on and off many times might clean the contacts,

for a test, switch as many as possible DC loads "on" for a while, and check if the switch doesn't get hot, nor any Sparks, ...
then it is still fine...
 
There's a lot of cheap versions of that switch available, get a Hella one and it will be fine, have changed many over the years when an engine won't start or you are showing 12v at panel but nothing works when a load is applied.
 
did you switch off that switch when boat was on the dry and while you took out the engines ?
if so,
perhaps there was some oxidation or dust on the switch contacts, causing this voltage drop ?
switching on and off many times might clean the contacts,

for a test, switch as many as possible DC loads "on" for a while, and check if the switch doesn't get hot, nor any Sparks, ...
then it is still fine...

No, in fact I don't think I've ever used that switch in the six years I've owned the boat. I think a replacement is the best plan, regardless (I don't think it'll be expensive).
 
There's a lot of cheap versions of that switch available, get a Hella one and it will be fine, have changed many over the years when an engine won't start or you are showing 12v at panel but nothing works when a load is applied.

I sent an email to Axon earlier today to ask them if they could supply a replacement oe switch; no reply yet. I don't think the original was a Hella - but equally, I don't want to fit some ebay £2.99 special either. Ideally I'd get a direct replacement.
 
The Sterling Ultra Pro battery is another option, quite a few boat have fitted them including me, you also have the option to purchase and fit a separate remote panel in the cabin, helm etc to monitor status. http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/departm...D=250&DepartmentName2=Sterling+Power+Chargers

Mike who owns MDS is a motorboater and knows his batteries. He posts as batteryman on the sealine forum but doesn't, as far as I know, post here. They do a sealine forum discount too :)
 
My Mastervolt charger stopped working, it was a simple repair. Mastervolt said send it to the UK repair centre, confirmed by Dutch HQ, for a fixed price repair, they also had the date and serial no of the unit. I sent it, 3 weeks later...nothing. I phoned the UK centre. I was told as the unit was over 5 years old they wouldn't repair it - company policy. I asked them to refund my money and return the charger. They said they had scrapped the charger. I suggested they had 'stolen' my property and demanded its return. They said I had to pay carriage. I refused saying they had contracted with me to repair the unit and they should pay return carriage. My charger and money were eventually refunded. Mastervolt was a disaster, I wouldn't touch them with the proverbial..... Incidentally I replaced the charger with a 50 year od Constavolt charger which I was given gratis by a neighbour. It worked perfectly for the 2 years until I sold the boat.
Look at Sterling chargers, the company supplies good products
 
I went for Victron for this and my previous boat and have been a happy customer since then.

Cannot speak much for after sales as since I changed I never had any problem, and that is saying something considering that Maltese voltage tends to go on the high side of over 230V, which is never healthy.
 
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