GHA
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Where are you going shopping then?
New 2 stroke or new 4 stroke?
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Graham376
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As a matter of interest, I've been looking into the commercial purchase of a 2 stroke in the UK and, although I can qualify for a commercial purchase the terms are very strict. How many would be willing to sign the required statement to be submitted to the manufacturer, which places very strict restrictions on later resale?
Dear Sirs,
I hereby confirm the above engine is to be used solely for commercial purposes or an exempt activity and not for any leisure or recreational
purposes whatsoever.
I fully understand the terms of the Recreational Craft Directive, Directive 94/25/EC of June 16 1994, as amended by Directive 2003/44/EC of June 16, 2003 (the “Directive”) and the usage restrictions detailed within.
In particular, I am aware of the restrictions on any resale of the above engine to any user not specifically excluded from the terms of the Directive.
Any re-sale of the engine will be accompanied by the appropriate commercial paperwork and a declaration of use by the new user. This paperwork will be forwarded to Tohatsu Marine Limited at the point of sale.
I acknowledge responsibility for the above engine in taking all reasonable measures to ensure the usage does not contravene the terms of the Directive.
Yours faithfully,
Dear Sirs,
I hereby confirm the above engine is to be used solely for commercial purposes or an exempt activity and not for any leisure or recreational
purposes whatsoever.
I fully understand the terms of the Recreational Craft Directive, Directive 94/25/EC of June 16 1994, as amended by Directive 2003/44/EC of June 16, 2003 (the “Directive”) and the usage restrictions detailed within.
In particular, I am aware of the restrictions on any resale of the above engine to any user not specifically excluded from the terms of the Directive.
Any re-sale of the engine will be accompanied by the appropriate commercial paperwork and a declaration of use by the new user. This paperwork will be forwarded to Tohatsu Marine Limited at the point of sale.
I acknowledge responsibility for the above engine in taking all reasonable measures to ensure the usage does not contravene the terms of the Directive.
Yours faithfully,
lw395
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If you want to stay legal, buy a four stroke that's not too heavy, even if that means your tender is slower.
Get the 2 stroke fixed at your leisure.
Some 'commercial' outboards are easy to spot on a leisure vessel.
Get the 2 stroke fixed at your leisure.
Some 'commercial' outboards are easy to spot on a leisure vessel.
Graham376
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PM sent
vyv_cox
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Ours was bought on Alderney.
Seven Spades
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I think you can buy a 2-stroke in the Channel Islands.
lw395
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You can, but what are the fines like if you get caught smuggling it into the EU?
Seven Spades
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Zero, there is no enforcement.
john_morris_uk
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BelleSerene
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Smuggling? As I understand it, new 2-stroke engines can’t be imported into the EU. But if you buy one in Alderney and use it, the RCD doesn’t apply. There’s no smuggling involved. Or do I have it wrong?
steve350
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Buy the engine that creates the least pollution. That's the right thing to do isn't it.
macd
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At the point of sale, you'd expect a two-stroke to have the smallest pollution footprint. OK if you don't plan on using it...
New strokers can be imported to and sold within the EU, as an earlier post suggested, but not for leisure use. Otherwise, you're correct.
lw395
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So long as you declare it as an import when you take it into the EU, you won't have smuggled it.
You'll have to pay VAT and maybe duty on it.
Unless it cost you less than the personal allowance for goods which is only about £250 for people on private yachts or planes.
Failure to declare it would be an offence.
But as soon as you use it for 'recreational purposes' in the EU, you are breaking the law.
Or if you sell it to someone for recreational purposes.
You can of course use a 2T motor in the CI's or sail away from there and leave the EU with it.
Graham376
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I've been doing a lot of phoning around to see if any dealers have any "good" 2 strokes and during conversations, the ebay CE marked Chinese are often discussed. Without fail, everyone I have spoken to says they do not meet the emissions so are illegal (as well as rubbish) but they are openly sold, 7 HP 2/ £398, Tohatsu 8hp 2/ around £1,400. No Chinese for me thanks but I do wonder why Trading Standards haven't clamped down.
BelleSerene
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Because that’s a different CE mark. ‘China Export’. Yes, seriously. It’s a perfectly valid - though intentionally confusing - mark that Chinese companies can use. It doesn’t mean the EC has approved them as meeting any particular European Commission standards. Here’s the (subtle!) difference:
https://siloscordoba.com/blog/corporate/china-export-is-not-ce-a-symbol-to-cause-confusion/
Heckler
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They can and are imported for commercial use which is allowed.
Graham376
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Agreed, only for commercial or racing use. If one is brought in from Alderney as suggested by BelleSerene, I've spoken to the distributor and am informed that VAT is due on import to the EU plus the RCD does still apply so, although they can be purchased legally there, it's still illegal to use one for recreational use within the EU.
As spares for many models of old 2 strokes can still be purchased, I wonder if a new power head (using the old carb, electrics, recoil starter, leg, etc) would be counted as repairs or, a new engine? Will look into that.
CAPTAIN FANTASTIC
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Nonsense, modern 4 strokes are very light and some are equal to the 2 stroke engines; the 2.5 Suzuki is 13 kg, , the 2.3 Honda is equally as light; some 6 hp 4 strokes are very light and getting lighter as materials improve.
TSB240
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Keep digging a hole with no factual information. The Johnny/rude 4 HP is only 14 kg! It is also a twin cylinder so a much smoother runner and if you compare noise pollution it wins hands down against the horrible Honda air cooled lawn mower engine. Try looking up some stats before you post rubbish about 4 strokes being lighter.
ip485
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Aside from the weight I find "modern" injectors on small 4 strokes a complete PITA - even with fuel preserver and running the carb. dry they always seem to block and they are more difficult to work on than 2 strokes.