Need to replace Lead Acid batteries. AGM or Gel?

A bit of battery history may help here. Bear with me, it does end up relevant!

Lead acid batteries used to be made with an alloy of lead (Pb) and typically 8-10% antimony (Sb).
The high Sb content lowers the gassing voltage which is why charging voltages used to be low and water consumption high. It also increases the self discharge rate.
Efforts to improve performance and reduce use of nasty toxic Sb went two ways.
In Europe, improved casting techniques and other additives got Sb content down to typically 1.8% in my days in the industry and I believe typically 1.5% now.
In USA, they came up with an alloy using around 0.1% calcium (Ca) (plus other minor additives) instead of Sb.
(Because of the history, batteries of PbSb alloy tend to be known just as lead acid, while ones of PbCa alloy tend to be known as lead calcium, making people think they are fundamentally different from lead acid but in fact they are just a minor variation.)

Compared with traditional high Sb, Pb with low Sb will take higher charging voltage, gas less and self discharge more slowly. However it won't have such a good cycle life.
Pb Ca will take even higher voltages, gas even less and self discharge even more slowly. However it's even worse than low Sb for cycle life and high temperature tolerance. (Some advertising claims in this area are blatantly untrue!) Ca is much less toxic than Sb and easier to handle environmentally, a good reason for manufacturers to prefer it. PbCa alloy is however harder to cast than PbSb.

Treated sensibly (without too much fast charging) a PbCa battery will get through its whole life without needing topping up if it has a decent reserve volume. The marketing people got hold of this and invented the "sealed for life maintenance free" battery. The low Sb producers copied them. I stress there is really no difference technically in the "sealed for life" other than the deletion or hiding of the refill plugs; it's a marketing invention. These batteries dominate the market now.

However for serious cycling applications, Sb content of 5% or more offers much better durability and a few manufacturers inc Trojan still produce them (not all Trojans mind you.) These batteries will gas more, particularly if charged vigorously, and self discharge quicker.

Another problem with Sb at this level is that through the life of the battery it migrates from the +ve plates to the -ve plates and deposits in spots which then gas much more freely.

So finally getting to the point, if the water consumption of your Trojans has increased a lot, yes it's an indicator they are probably approaching end of reliable life. The increased gassing isn't harmful per se - just a nuisance - but it does mean other damaging things have been going on. You won't see the same increase happening with low Sb or Ca.

As regards testing, only a discharge test at a realistic rate will give you a reliable idea of their remaining capacity. A garage tester will not.

PS Above remarks relate to flooded only, not gel or AGM, that would be another essay! Gel has no place on a boat in my view, some AGMs are very good, many are rubbish.
 
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One of our lead acid batteries failed last year. Talking to the sparkie; whatever we did we would need all the batteries to be the same and with appropriate charging.

Pondering all this we just opted for another lead acid battery, backed on the fact they are cheap ish and readily available everywhere. Oh and the worked perfectly well.
 
So I have decided to go with wet batteries again. Mainly because I do not want to change the charger, but also because the gel or AGM would not fit the current battery box.

I have opted for Trojan T145. I will have 2 banks of 4 x 6v in parallel.Each battery is 260AmpHr at 20hr rate. (The datasheet is http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/datasheets/T145_Trojan_Data_Sheets.pdf)

I will have to reset the Mastervolt MICC panel to the new higher capacity of the batteries What is the calculation for the capacity in total for this set? The default on the panel is 200Ah so simply adding the batteries capacities giving 2080 seems wrong!

Sorry to be so dim!

Tudorsailor
 
I will have 2 banks of 4 x 6v in parallel.Each battery is 260AmpHr

What is the calculation for the capacity in total for this set?

Tudorsailor

Do you mean you have 2 banks, each with 2 batteries?

If you put 2 x 6v batteries in series, the voltage becomes 12v but the capacity remains the same. ie. 2 x 6v 260ah become 12v 260ah.

If you put 2 x 6v batteries in parallel, the voltage remains at 6v but the capacity doubles.

If you have 2 banks, each being 12v 260ah, in parallel, then you will have 12v 520ah in total.


Edit. Just read your original post, seems you have a 24 volt system with 8 batteries but, I still don't understand your post - maybe me having a bad day!

If you divide the batteries into two banks of 4, each connected in parallel as you say, then you still have a total of 6 volts but 1040ah and connecting those 2 banks in series will only give 12v.
 
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So I have decided to go with wet batteries again. Mainly because I do not want to change the charger, but also because the gel or AGM would not fit the current battery box. ...
AGMs don't need to be in a battery box, and they come in 6 volts. See Lifeline's website.

Just to clarify you will have ONE 24 volt house bank with two strings of 4 X 6v batteries in series - yes!
 
Plevier, you are clearly an expert...
Is it better to buy branded lead-acid marine batteries e.g. Exide or Varta than those sold under the chandlery own brands? I know this is Avery broad question!
Thanks.
 
The problem is deep cycle batteries which are lead acid are best for house batteries. Cold cranking amp batteries, such as gel, are best for engines and anchor winches. We had both and they have different charging regimes so you ideally need a smart charger that can be set to each type of battery. We had a 25 AMP 240 volt AC Xantrex smart battery charger which can be set to different batteries charging regimes at the same time and a TWC 12 volt smart regulator for alternator. The latter can't be set to different voltages but didn't cause a problem
 
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