Need to find hull identification number?

[Forfatsnakes]

I recently got caught side on to some large waves after my inboard engine cut out, anyway I have had to claim of the insurance company for a lot of damage, they are claiming without proof that my yacht is a Mark 1 , I was always told she was a Mark 2 .
Where can I find the hull identification number to verify her age ?

 

[paulajayne]

Need far more info on what yacht / year /etc. Pics will also help.

 

[Dellquay13]

true HIN numbers should be stamped or moulded into the outside of the hull on the transom, usually on the starboard side. Can be quite small numbers, sometimes only about 6mm high

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Surely the damage remains the same regardless of the mark?

 

[Forfatsnakes]

true HIN numbers should be stamped or moulded into the outside of the hull on the transom, usually on the starboard side. Can be quite small numbers, sometimes only about 6mm high

Surely the damage remains the same regardless of the mark?
Insurance say mk1 , they won't cover , I need confirmation of mk2 . Which they do cover, they just don't want to pay out because they say a GOOGLE search says my yacht is a mk 1 ! strange behaviour.
Thanks I will have a look tomorrow! Thanks

 

[Forfatsnakes]

Need far more info on what yacht / year /etc. Pics will also help.

I've had a survey in 2020 and the surveyor said polly garta was an invicta 26 from 1972 , and all the research I have done so far tells me the same , I just need the HIN to verify that , I was told there are 2 HIN on the hull , one on the starboard transom and another somewhere on the hull ?

 

[Tranona]

If your boat is pre 1997 when HINs became compulsory it may not have one. Before that builders used various different methods of identifying individual boats or none at all.

If you said what boat it was you may get more specific advice on the difference between a Mark 1&2 and when it changed. The HIN would only tell you the date and model anyway.

 

[penfold]

What exactly are they arguing? If they're arguing that an Invicta Mk1 is materially different to a Mk2, therefore they would not have offered to cover it and the policy is void, then this is meretricious and you should see them in court.

Yachtsnet's archive states the Mk2 was introduced in 1969, so yours would appear to be the later version; although the text does not state explicitly that the two types were not offered for sale together it seems unlikely given how little difference there is between the two(slightly raised deck and coachroof for extra headroom and slightly reduced sail area compared to the Mk1).

 

[Tranona]

I've had a survey in 2020 and the surveyor said polly garta was an invicta 26 from 1972 , and all the research I have done so far tells me the same , I just need the HIN to verify that , I was told there are 2 HIN on the hull , one on the starboard transom and another somewhere on the hull ?

As I said, you won't find a HIN. In those days were no rules, and boats like the Invicta were moulded by Tylers and fitted out by various boatyards and individuals. So there may well be a disconnect between when the hull was moulded and the boat completed. If the Yachtsnet information is correct - and little reason to doubt it then the differences makes no material difference to the boat from an insurance point of view. Even if you did find an identification number, in the absence of any records from the actual builder there is no way of knowing when it was built and what mark it was. You are basing your application for insurance on the information provided by your surveyor, so fail to see why the insurer is rejecting your claim.

Suspect there is more to this than meets the eye, but from what you have said so far you have a case to take to the ombudsman.

 

[Forfatsnakes]

If your boat is pre 1997 when HINs became compulsory it may not have one. Before that builders used various different methods of identifying individual boats or none at all.

If you said what boat it was you may get more specific advice on the difference between a Mark 1&2 and when it changed. The HIN would only tell you the date and model anyway.

Sorry about that , it is a van de stadt invicta 26 1972 ?

 

[Forfatsnakes]

As I said, you won't find a HIN. In those days were no rules, and boats like the Invicta were moulded by Tylers and fitted out by various boatyards and individuals. So there may well be a disconnect between when the hull was moulded and the boat completed. If the Yachtsnet information is correct - and little reason to doubt it then the differences makes no material difference to the boat from an insurance point of view. Even if you did find an identification number, in the absence of any records from the actual builder there is no way of knowing when it was built and what mark it was. You are basing your application for insurance on the information provided by your surveyor, so fail to see why the insurer is rejecting your claim.

Suspect there is more to this than meets the eye, but from what you have said so far you have a case to take to the ombudsman.

Thanks very much for your advice .

 

[Forfatsnakes]

What exactly are they arguing? If they're arguing that an Invicta Mk1 is materially different to a Mk2, therefore they would not have offered to cover it and the policy is void, then this is meretricious and you should see them in court.

Yachtsnet's archive states the Mk2 was introduced in 1969, so yours would appear to be the later version; although the text does not state explicitly that the two types were not offered for sale together it seems unlikely given how little difference there is between the two(slightly raised deck and coachroof for extra headroom and slightly reduced sail area compared to the Mk1).

Thanks anyway , I will not leave this go with the insurance company, they clearly want to wriggle their way out through any loophole they can find .

 

[Praxinoscope]

I had a 1965 Mk1 Invicta, (Dido of Aberaeron) the coachroof of yours is slightly different ( looks slightly higher and less of a fore and aft curve where the main cabin windows are fitted) which suggest that it is in fact a Mk2,
I will attach a couple of images in another post if it helps.
Never did find a hull number despite having been in every nook and cranny of it over the years.
A great boat, in many ways I miss it, but it was never really suitable for a drying harbour.

 

[Praxinoscope]

These images may help, DIDO ws a Mk1 Invicta (1965)

 

[bitbaltic]

My boat was built in 2001 and, despite all assurances in the manual etc, there is decidedly no HIN.

Suspect the person you are dealing with at insurance company knows nothing about boats generally or 1970s boats in particular.

 

[Poignard]

My 1967 Twister has a Tyler's grp hull and deck.

The hull number is inside the lazarette (stern locker), on an engraved plate fixed to the inside of the transom ,close up to the underside of the deck. It isn't easy to see unless you lie on your back on the cockpit sole with your head through the access door.

Might be worth exploring that area on your boat. The circular hatch might make it easier to see the number plate; if there is one there.

 

[Forfatsnakes]

I had a 1965 Mk1 Invicta, (Dido of Aberaeron) the coachroof of yours is slightly different ( looks slightly higher and less of a fore and aft curve where the main cabin windows are fitted) which suggest that it is in fact a Mk2,
I will attach a couple of images in another post if it helps.
Never did find a hull number despite having been in every nook and cranny of it over the years.
A great boat, in many ways I miss it, but it was never really suitable for a drying harbour.

Thanks for your advice , I am in burry port marina she spends roughly 20 hours a day resting on her keel .
My insurance company are saying they don't cover craft over 50 years old , mine was confirmed as a 1972 by a surveyor in November 2020 , they are just trying to avoid paying out .
Thanks for your help !

 

[Praxinoscope]

Ref #13, I should have said a drying harbour like Aberaeron,, which can be a bit ‘choppy’ and has a stones bottom, I can see that Burry Port would be kinder on a long keeler like the Invicta.

 

[Forfatsnakes]

My 1967 Twister has a Tyler's grp hull and deck.

The hull number is inside the lazarette (stern locker), on an engraved plate fixed to the inside of the transom ,close up to the underside of the deck. It isn't easy to see unless you lie on your back on the cockpit sole with your head through the access door.

Might be worth exploring that area on your boat. The circular hatch might make it easier to see the number plate; if there is one there.

Thanks I will get in there .

 

[Poignard]

Thanks I will get in there .

Make sure you are going to be able to get out again!