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After sailing here from UK only been doing day trips now intend to do trip to Lisbon next weekend and later one to Porto.


Are there any tides off this coast in either a N or S direction?


I appreciate its a mostly a N wind and now cold at nights but any other advice for sailing along this coast.
 
Sailfree said:
After sailing here from UK only been doing day trips now intend to do trip to Lisbon next weekend and later one to Porto.


Are there any tides off this coast in either a N or S direction?

I appreciate its a mostly a N wind and now cold at nights but any other advice for sailing along this coast.
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It Varies and don't miss out going up the Douro. You will be discouraged but persevere, very much worth it.
 
If you are at Nazare, a visit up river to Aveiro is well worth it. I stayed on the Club pontoon, very friendly.
If you are going to Lisbon before Porto, does that mean you are then heading North?
On the way down from Nazare I stopped at Peniche (exposed pontoon with fishing boat swell) and Cascasis, (posh marina, €33.83 a night) to get the tide up to Lisbon. I was a bit premature with my timings, as when I got to the river mouth the current was still running out at about 2.5 knots but it eventually turned in my favour.
In Lisbon I stayed at Doca de Alcântara. Going up the river I was so busy taking in the sights that I nearly went into the wrong marina, I knew it was just past the 'Ponte 25 de Abril' suspension bridge, so started heading to the first one I saw which was Doca de Santo Amaro, not Doca de Alcântara, an error quickly rectified. Doca de Alcântara is quite huge and entry / exit is through a lifting bridge.
Going into Lisbon, the bus / tram stop is 'Cais da Rocha' across a footbridge over the railway line. There were several busses that I could catch and a 15e tram, but I found the best to be the 732 (€1.85 a trip, the tram was more)
 
You can’t go very far up the Douro, low bridges, but Marina Douro very pleasant, and Porto great. Going down to Lisbon, like Lady in Bed we left Nazare and tried to stop at Peniche but it was too full. Should not be a problem this time of year. We pushed straight through to Cascais, very nice also. Then up to Lisbon. We are overwintering in Parque de Nacoes, very sheltered but very full, mostly with mud! Object lesson in where not to build a marina. Lady in Bed’s suggestion would be a better option. Only time tide was an issue was in the Lisbon estuary, but if you stop in Cascais you can time your run. There is supposed to be a south running current down the coast but it was not noticeable this summer (surely you know about the currents living in Nazare?)
Suggest you don’t try surfing as you come back into Nazare - could end badly.
 
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I delivered a yacht in August from Gib to Brest. The whole Atlantic coast from St Vincent to Finnisterre is littered with them out to 80m and sometimes beyond. Stood well out at night.

No drips though, fishermen gotta earn a living. Suspect a lot of them are catching squid and octopus.
 
There is supposed to be a south running current down the coast but it was not noticeable this summer (surely you know about the currents living in Nazare?)
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Yes so I thought but we have done numerous day trips out of Nazare going due W at various tidal states and have not detected a tide this year - hence my question
 
Sailfree said:
After sailing here from UK only been doing day trips now intend to do trip to Lisbon next weekend and later one to Porto.

Are there any tides off this coast in either a N or S direction?

I appreciate its a mostly a N wind and now cold at nights but any other advice for sailing along this coast.
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Not much tide, maybe about 1 kt but be prepared to motor. Quite an easy trip going south, if it's getting dark you can always anchor off Cascais. Heading north to Porto a bit more motoring most likely needed but don't worry about the pots as, unlike the UK ones, they use weighted line to the danbuoys and don't have half a mile of floating line to a pickup.

Would be interested how Muddy32 proposes getting masts under the Porto bridges to go up the Douro, much easier to use the train which follows the river or, one of the river boats.
 
Graham376 said:
Would be interested how Muddy32 proposes getting masts under the Porto bridges to go up the Douro, much easier to use the train which follows the river or, one of the river boats.
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MikeH99 did highlight that the bridges severely limited how far you could get.

If I ever get there, I would hope to get the mast taken off somewhere around Porto in order to be able to get up the river.

I'm also interested to know more about Muddy's suggestion that 'you will be discouraged, but persevere'. Anyone know what that's about?
 
LadyInBed said:
If you are at Nazare, a visit up river to Aveiro is well worth it. I stayed on the Club pontoon, very friendly.
If you are going to Lisbon before Porto, does that mean you are then heading North?
On the way down from Nazare I stopped at Peniche (exposed pontoon with fishing boat swell) and Cascasis, (posh marina, €33.83 a night) to get the tide up to Lisbon. I was a bit premature with my timings, as when I got to the river mouth the current was still running out at about 2.5 knots but it eventually turned in my favour.
In Lisbon I stayed at Doca de Alcântara. Going up the river I was so busy taking in the sights that I nearly went into the wrong marina, I knew it was just past the 'Ponte 25 de Abril' suspension bridge, so started heading to the first one I saw which was Doca de Santo Amaro, not Doca de Alcântara, an error quickly rectified. Doca de Alcântara is quite huge and entry / exit is through a lifting bridge.
Going into Lisbon, the bus / tram stop is 'Cais da Rocha' across a footbridge over the railway line. There were several busses that I could catch and a 15e tram, but I found the best to be the 732 (€1.85 a trip, the tram was more)
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Which marina do you recommend.
 
LittleSister said:
MikeH99 did highlight that the bridges severely limited how far you could get.

If I ever get there, I would hope to get the mast taken off somewhere around Porto in order to be able to get up the river.

I'm also interested to know more about Muddy's suggestion that 'you will be discouraged, but persevere'. Anyone know what that's about?
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This may interest you - https://www.ecotoursportugal.com/en/travel-blog/douro-valley-33/the-5-dams-of-the-douro-river-279
 
LadyInBed said:
In Lisbon I stayed in Doca de Alcântara, as that's the one that was recommended to me. Marina Parque das Nações is closer to City Centre but a lot more expensive.
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Actually I think Doca de Alcantera is closer to the historic district although Nacoes is certainly closer to the airport. It really doesn’t matter because Uber is very convenient and very cheap in Lisbon. 7 euro from Nacoes to historic centre - about 7 kilometres.
Sailfree, hope you enjoy the trips if not this season, then next.
Mike
 
LittleSister said:
MikeH99 did highlight that the bridges severely limited how far you could get.

If I ever get there, I would hope to get the mast taken off somewhere around Porto in order to be able to get up the river.

I'm also interested to know more about Muddy's suggestion that 'you will be discouraged, but persevere'. Anyone know what that's about?
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When we were in Porto a chap in a motor boat was trying to organise the trip. The marina staff were very helpful. IIRC the issue was you had to get a permit and specify where you were going to moor. Doable as long as you can get rid of the mast.
Cruising Asssociation Captains Mate app has good stuff.
 
MikeH99 said:
Actually I think Doca de Alcantera is closer to the historic district although Nacoes is certainly closer to the airport. It really doesn’t matter because Uber is very convenient and very cheap in Lisbon. 7 euro from Nacoes to historic centre - about 7 kilometres.
Sailfree, hope you enjoy the trips if not this season, then next.
Mike
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Not sure what's happening at Alges dock which is a couple of miles seaward of Belem Tower and other main tourist attractions. I see there are some pontoons in place and Sopromar (they operate at Lagos & Portimao) have opened a repair facility with hard standing and ability to live aboard when working. IF it's developed as a marina, the location would be good as it's on the main bus, tram and train route into Lisbon. If I get chance this weekend, I'll go and have a look. http://en.sopromar.com/facilities/cnalges_2070
 
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