Nav kit upgrade - Raymarine E120W?

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Not being the sharpest knife in the draw, we set off for Sardinia with only a Med France card in the plotter, so I ran out of chart in Porto Cervo and spent a few days navigating with just the ipad and the Navionics HD app. Wow, it's superb, and other than not being linked to the autopilot is light years ahead of my 10 year old Furuno plotter. Add to this that one of the plotters tracker balls has stopped working (if you could ever say this awful piece of design "worked") and the other unit gets too hot to touch, and I think it's time to upgrade the nav kit.

What I loved about using the ipad is the ability to instantly zoom in to any area of the screen to look in more detail at a potential hazard on our route, or to see if a bay will be suitable for anchoring, then just as instantly zoom back out again. The clunky bit about older plotters is the time it takes to move the cursor to the bit you're interested in, as well as the painfully slow (in comparison) redraw rates.

To get the pinch to zoom functionality as per the ipad, it seems you need one of the new glass bridge type plotters, and I don't want to spend that type of money on a new system, as i'm no technophile and i'll have to upgrade the radar side as well, as my current scanner is analogue.

What I have found is dealers selling off Raymarine E120W touch screen kit as I guess it has been superceded by the new E/G series and the even newer glass bridge stuff. Because the surrounds are smaller, I can go from 10" Furuno to 12" Raymarine screens with only the need to cut a slightly bigger aperture in the dash, nothing else needs moving to make space. It should be plug and play with the autopilot and other instrumentation as that is Raymarine already. It doesn't have pinch to zoom, but you can at least touch the screen at the point of interest and hit the zoom button, which seems like it would be the next best thing.

I use the radar so infrequently in the med, as we hardly ever get fog, that I think i'll just fit a small 4kw HD radome, rather than splashing out on an open array scanner.

So, does anyone have anything good or bad to say about the E120W or the HD radome, or are there any better products at comparable cost (2 x 12" plotters and a 4 KW scanner plus ancilliaries should be about £5k total).
 
Personally I would suggest you buy one of the new C/E Series plotters. Don't bother with the second. Your iPad can be used as the second plotter as it can connect to the new C/E Series.
Standard digital Radar is excellent. No point in going for HD.
 
Personally I would suggest you buy one of the new C/E Series plotters. Don't bother with the second. Your iPad can be used as the second plotter as it can connect to the new C/E Series.
Standard digital Radar is excellent. No point in going for HD.

Interesting thought, as I can count on one hand the number of times i've helmed from downstairs in 6 seasons in the med, but i'd want full control of plotter and radar at lower helm for when conditions are difficult, and the i-pad isn't robust enough for continuous use upstairs.

HD radome's dont seem much more expensive, and the plotters are HD ready, so seems a bit of a no brainer, even if the benefits are fairly small.
 
Just wondering.. how do you manage to use the I-pad in sunshine?

In terms of visibility it wasn't a problem, even in bright sunlight. A couple of times it overheated due to being left in the sun, and wouldn't work again until it cooled down. I don't think an ipad is the answer, they just aren't robust enough, but the functionality is superb, and the whole med charts in HD cost £44!
 
I have a C120 Wide which is great and is incidentally on sale through Costal Rides for £1200 + VAT http://www.coastalrides.co.uk/electronics/raymarine-c120w-multifunctional-display-e62113

It had a glitch to begin with an Raymarine changed all the insides under warranty.

I dont know the price E series are being sold for but at this price they are a deal in my view.

As an aside I have no idea how the Raymarine touch screen works but a £1 says that the iPad will be 10 times more user friendly so I would play with one first.

I considered the touchscreen stuff but have really never given it a thought - i just use the zoom / find ship / find cursor.

The BEST thing is the platinum card with pix. In Mallorca I just plan our day by looking at pictures of Calas and head to one I like the look of.

Re redraw rates the plotter is normally fine, but sometimes I will zoom and it will ponder its life for 15 seconds. You can force it to redraw by changing page and the page comes up instantly when selected.
 
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We have an E90W at the helm which is functionally great, but the screen is a bit dim for viewing in full sunlight - try to get to see the E120W in operation before committing.
 
We have an E90W at the helm which is functionally great, but the screen is a bit dim for viewing in full sunlight - try to get to see the E120W in operation before committing.

The spec shows the 120 as being a bit brighter, about 10% in numbers but I don't know what that translates to in use. They are still shown as current products, so hopefully there'll be one to try at SIBS.
 
Just wondering.. how do you manage to use the I-pad in sunshine?

That was my issue too. I played with my daughters ipad one night on navionics, fantastic, bought a waterproof case and couldnt wait to try it on the flybridge only to learn it was useless , sorry about getting side tracked nick, but genuine interested how you managed to see it in sunshine, the other issue I had which may or may not be relevant to Raymarine is I also found wet fingers useless on touch screen with or without the waterproof cover.
 
That was my issue too. I played with my daughters ipad one night on navionics, fantastic, bought a waterproof case and couldnt wait to try it on the flybridge only to learn it was useless , sorry about getting side tracked nick, but genuine interested how you managed to see it in sunshine, the other issue I had which may or may not be relevant to Raymarine is I also found wet fingers useless on touch screen with or without the waterproof cover.

I didn't really think about the sunlight visibility, I could just see it OK. Thinking about it now, we have a bimini, so with the screen tilted towards me the sun can only ever shine on it incidentally, not perpendicularly, so I guess that must be the reason. It's a series 3 ipad, don't know if they're brighter than earlier ones?
 
Can't help on the new nav gear as we're still using the original Geonav plotters on our boat and will continue to do so until they go pop or we sell the boat but I'd like to add my thumbs up for the Ipad and Navionics cartography. Actually I paid £39.99 for the Navionics bit and its brilliant as you say. I'm now using it for planning routes at home and its dead easy even for a computer dork like me. Why can't all plotters work like this?
 
Can't help on the new nav gear as we're still using the original Geonav plotters on our boat and will continue to do so until they go pop or we sell the boat but I'd like to add my thumbs up for the Ipad and Navionics cartography. Actually I paid £39.99 for the Navionics bit and its brilliant as you say. I'm now using it for planning routes at home and its dead easy even for a computer dork like me. Why can't all plotters work like this?

Me too, but have you found any way to download the planning from the I pad to the boat plotter?
 
Interesting thought, as I can count on one hand the number of times i've helmed from downstairs in 6 seasons in the med, but i'd want full control of plotter and radar at lower helm for when conditions are difficult, and the i-pad isn't robust enough for continuous use upstairs.

HD radome's dont seem much more expensive, and the plotters are HD ready, so seems a bit of a no brainer, even if the benefits are fairly small.

There are 3 Raymarine apps. One specifically for the iPad to give you full control. Hence you can still have almost full control of the upstairs plotter on the downstairs iPad inc Radar.
 
Nope but I'd certainly be interested if there was a way

Apple's unwillingness to admit to the concept of a file and dislike of supporting peripherals would be a problem. A lot easier on an Android tablet - I can plug a USB card reader into mine.
 
...spent a few days navigating with just the ipad and the Navionics HD app. Wow, it's superb...

That's interesting. Never thought about ipad chartplotters. Could be a great backup if my dodgy Italian electrics decide to pack up. Currently £37.99 by the looks of it.
Is the detail as good as a proper chartplotter? £38 seems like a no brainer if it is.
 
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Yep, just the same, though no 3D or fancy stuff like that. For some reason only the 3G Ipad has the GPS aerial, so if you have the non 3G version you need a plug in aerial.

We bought a boat specifically for diving earlier this year and decided to use an IPad as a plotter. I then bought a second hand IPad, series 1 as well as a garmin GPS dongle. Works very well, chart detail as good as the Raymarine but without the bells and whistles. Actually didn't need the dongle as it has its own GPS receiver, so I guess it's the 3G version.

Total cost was about £150, already had Navionics for our 2 home IPads. However if you want to put in waypoints as Lat and Long then it does get a bit fiddly, but just using the cursor on the screen is a doddle, although you have to buy the appropriate update for all of about £2!!
 
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