My sterndrive's buggered - help please

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sorry for the long post, trying to get as much out the grey matter and on electronic paper before I forget what occured.

Saving grace is that it happened on the very last trip of a fab week on the water so had good use of the boat this season already... Came back over from IOW yesterday with P4Paul for a meal in the King and Queen Port Hamble and noted a noise from the engine bay on berthing up but on turning the wheel it went completely so put it down to steering arm cables vibrating against the transom.

Left PH to head for Ocean Village but under load the dreaded grumbling from the transom was heard quite clearly.. limped back to hime berth with no noise when stationary at idle and no noise on the trip over to IOW nor at full lock when we turned for home in the Medina so the symptoms have exhibited themselve at some point between leaving Cowes and setting off from Port Hamble.

Am now also getting the grumble at full lock (both ways) with no load at idle in the home berth. This wasn't the case at Port Hamble when I turned the steering wheel to get rid of the initial noise so things seem to be deteriorating rapidly rather than the progressive nature of Gimbal failure.

Gimbal Bearing and all bellows were replaced Sept 2010 by Craven Marine so they've not been in there long.. cannot see water in the reservoir but there are salt deposits at the back of the engine bay around the sterndrive mounting bolts but had put that down to water coming in over the swim platforn rather than a leak from the sterndrive mountings. I had put in half a tube of UJoint and Gimbal Bearing lube before launching.. Drive resoervoir is slightly above the full mark level with the top shoulder of the reservoir, I'd topped it up two days ago and it's stayed there so I don't think I've water coming in to the sterndrive gearing area. I had changed the impellor before launching too changing the lube as I do each year (with the greeny blue High Performance stuff).

What I didn't do before launching was drop the entire drive and check the Gimbal Bearing and internals of the bellows so last time they saw light was when Craven Marine changed them. I did check the condition of the bellows externally and all looked ok.

A few things spring to mind:

1: dry bearing i.e. the grease hasn't got to the bearing for some reason.
2: alignment's been knocked out for some reason.
3: I've messed something up this time on putting the lower drive back together
4: something to do with no speedo on relaunching... was ok prior to me changing the impellor.
5. Water's got in to the drive and I've not noticed it due to point 3, 4 or my assumption salt deposits at the back of the engine bay are actually the symptom of a long standing leak.
6. my assumption it's the Gimbal Bearing is incorrect and it's something else.

Only one thing for it.. get the boat out the water, drop the drive and give Volvo Paul a call on finding out what's occuring for sure.. Will also give me chance to sort out the speedo (blocked hole of tube's come orf I expect) and I need to sort out the duff trim tab.

Would like to get this sorted before end of April so any advice on next steps would be greatly appreciated.

Boat's still in the water and I am 120 miles away at home typing this... will not take her out again until sorted apart from limping her round to the slipway under Itechen Bridge to get the boat on the trailer.

cheers Gary, slightly pee'd off but again, glad this has happened now and not a week ago.. silver lining for sure.
 
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"BLO*DY HELL" gary !!!!!!....... sorry to have just read that !!!!!! hope all is "superficial" rather than terminal.....you know where i am if needed....please keep in touch.
 
"BLO*DY HELL" gary !!!!!!....... sorry to have just read that !!!!!! hope all is "superficial" rather than terminal.....you know where i am if needed....please keep in touch.

not fretting to be honest Steve... a factor of owning a boat I guess and will stay focused on finding root cause and getting a fix applied pronto but as you say, hope it's nothing more than a buggered Gimbal Bearing. Will be cheesed off fore sure if it turns out to be an engine out job.
 
No point in fretting,just got to get the ball rolling, arrange to get the thing out of the water and get the rubberware off so you can see whats happened.Most probably water has seeped in......
At least once you know what the problem is you can get on,sort it and get back afloat,you ain't exactly missing much regards weather.
 
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As oldgit says get the leg off- all become clear.
I don't think you could have caused much damage, you identified the issue very quickly.
Fairly flexible this week if you need a hand.
 
sorry for the long post, trying to get as much out the grey matter and on electronic paper before I forget what occured.

Saving grace is that it happened on the very last trip of a fab week on the water so had good use of the boat this season already... Came back over from IOW yesterday with P4Paul for a meal in the King and Queen Port Hamble and noted a noise from the engine bay on berthing up but on turning the wheel it went completely so put it down to steering arm cables vibrating against the transom.

Left PH to head for Ocean Village but under load the dreaded grumbling from the transom was heard quite clearly.. limped back to hime berth with no noise when stationary at idle and no noise on the trip over to IOW nor at full lock when we turned for home in the Medina so the symptoms have exhibited themselve at some point between leaving Cowes and setting off from Port Hamble.

Am now also getting the grumble at full lock (both ways) with no load at idle in the home berth. This wasn't the case at Port Hamble when I turned the steering wheel to get rid of the initial noise so things seem to be deteriorating rapidly rather than the progressive nature of Gimbal failure.

Gimbal Bearing and all bellows were replaced Sept 2010 by Craven Marine so they've not been in there long.. cannot see water in the reservoir but there are salt deposits at the back of the engine bay around the sterndrive mounting bolts but had put that down to water coming in over the swim platforn rather than a leak from the sterndrive mountings. I had put in half a tube of UJoint and Gimbal Bearing lube before launching.. Drive resoervoir is slightly above the full mark level with the top shoulder of the reservoir, I'd topped it up two days ago and it's stayed there so I don't think I've water coming in to the sterndrive gearing area. I had changed the impellor before launching too changing the lube as I do each year (with the greeny blue High Performance stuff).

What I didn't do before launching was drop the entire drive and check the Gimbal Bearing and internals of the bellows so last time they saw light was when Craven Marine changed them. I did check the condition of the bellows externally and all looked ok.

A few things spring to mind:

1: dry bearing i.e. the grease hasn't got to the bearing for some reason.
2: alignment's been knocked out for some reason.
3: I've messed something up this time on putting the lower drive back together
4: something to do with no speedo on relaunching... was ok prior to me changing the impellor.
5. Water's got in to the drive and I've not noticed it due to point 3, 4 or my assumption salt deposits at the back of the engine bay are actually the symptom of a long standing leak.
6. my assumption it's the Gimbal Bearing is incorrect and it's something else.

Only one thing for it.. get the boat out the water, drop the drive and give Volvo Paul a call on finding out what's occuring for sure.. Will also give me chance to sort out the speedo (blocked hole of tube's come orf I expect) and I need to sort out the duff trim tab.

Would like to get this sorted before end of April so any advice on next steps would be greatly appreciated.

Boat's still in the water and I am 120 miles away at home typing this... will not take her out again until sorted apart from limping her round to the slipway under Itechen Bridge to get the boat on the trailer.

cheers Gary, slightly pee'd off but again, glad this has happened now and not a week ago.. silver lining for sure.

if you changed the impeller before launch I presume it's in the leg and therefore an alpha?

On my bravo drive last year i had to change the top swivel pins to cure a leak. The pins had corroded and pitted.

Transom shield off job so engine out I'm afraid if that's it :(

The grumbling could be the UJ I guess but i don't see how those 2 things are related.

So therefore it could be bellows?

Or a top pin leak having destroyed the gimbal nearing I suppose?

If it is UJ and bravo I have a new spare.

Doesn't sound great I'm afraid. Hope I'm wrong.
 
if you changed the impeller before launch I presume it's in the leg and therefore an alpha?

On my bravo drive last year i had to change the top swivel pins to cure a leak. The pins had corroded and pitted.

Transom shield off job so engine out I'm afraid if that's it :(

The grumbling could be the UJ I guess but i don't see how those 2 things are related.

So therefore it could be bellows?

Or a top pin leak having destroyed the gimbal nearing I suppose?

If it is UJ and bravo I have a new spare.

Doesn't sound great I'm afraid. Hope I'm wrong.

I recall reading your post at the time needing to get it sorted before a charter or something of that nature... mine's an Alpha 1 gen 2 so less complex drive to fix, so I'm told
 
Gary,

Sorry to read this, you did mention the noise while you manfully tackled the biggest roast dinner I have ever seen.

Busy this week, but if you want me to bring Hunros round on Sunday and tow you alongside round to Shamrock to avoid running the drive then just let me know. Thinking about it, if I can find crew, I may be available Friday mid afternoon if it helps.

Let me know what I can do.
Cheers
Paul.
 
Gary,

Sorry to read this, you did mention the noise while you manfully tackled the biggest roast dinner I have ever seen.

Busy this week, but if you want me to bring Hunros round on Sunday and tow you alongside round to Shamrock to avoid running the drive then just let me know. Thinking about it, if I can find crew, I may be available Friday mid afternoon if it helps.

Let me know what I can do.
Cheers
Paul.

Thanks Paul, very much appreciated buddy, Roy's also offered to hook up to my trailer and help get her out the water and over to Shamrock so in reality, it's a very short trip up to the Itchen Bridge and out by floating bridge public slip... I can then do an initial inspection on the trailer on the slipway externally before towing to Shamrock....

You make a good point as it goes, the most likely cause if overloading the gearbox after taking on too much grub:D
 
sorry for the long post, trying to get as much out the grey matter and on electronic paper before I forget what occured.

Saving grace is that it happened on the very last trip of a fab week on the water so had good use of the boat this season already... Came back over from IOW yesterday with P4Paul for a meal in the King and Queen Port Hamble and noted a noise from the engine bay on berthing up but on turning the wheel it went completely so put it down to steering arm cables vibrating against the transom.

Left PH to head for Ocean Village but under load the dreaded grumbling from the transom was heard quite clearly.. limped back to hime berth with no noise when stationary at idle and no noise on the trip over to IOW nor at full lock when we turned for home in the Medina so the symptoms have exhibited themselve at some point between leaving Cowes and setting off from Port Hamble.

Am now also getting the grumble at full lock (both ways) with no load at idle in the home berth. This wasn't the case at Port Hamble when I turned the steering wheel to get rid of the initial noise so things seem to be deteriorating rapidly rather than the progressive nature of Gimbal failure.

Gimbal Bearing and all bellows were replaced Sept 2010 by Craven Marine so they've not been in there long.. cannot see water in the reservoir but there are salt deposits at the back of the engine bay around the sterndrive mounting bolts but had put that down to water coming in over the swim platforn rather than a leak from the sterndrive mountings. I had put in half a tube of UJoint and Gimbal Bearing lube before launching.. Drive resoervoir is slightly above the full mark level with the top shoulder of the reservoir, I'd topped it up two days ago and it's stayed there so I don't think I've water coming in to the sterndrive gearing area. I had changed the impellor before launching too changing the lube as I do each year (with the greeny blue High Performance stuff).

What I didn't do before launching was drop the entire drive and check the Gimbal Bearing and internals of the bellows so last time they saw light was when Craven Marine changed them. I did check the condition of the bellows externally and all looked ok.

A few things spring to mind:

1: dry bearing i.e. the grease hasn't got to the bearing for some reason.
2: alignment's been knocked out for some reason.
3: I've messed something up this time on putting the lower drive back together
4: something to do with no speedo on relaunching... was ok prior to me changing the impellor.
5. Water's got in to the drive and I've not noticed it due to point 3, 4 or my assumption salt deposits at the back of the engine bay are actually the symptom of a long standing leak.
6. my assumption it's the Gimbal Bearing is incorrect and it's something else.

Only one thing for it.. get the boat out the water, drop the drive and give Volvo Paul a call on finding out what's occuring for sure.. Will also give me chance to sort out the speedo (blocked hole of tube's come orf I expect) and I need to sort out the duff trim tab.

Would like to get this sorted before end of April so any advice on next steps would be greatly appreciated.

Boat's still in the water and I am 120 miles away at home typing this... will not take her out again until sorted apart from limping her round to the slipway under Itechen Bridge to get the boat on the trailer.

cheers Gary, slightly pee'd off but again, glad this has happened now and not a week ago.. silver lining for sure.


Gimbal bearing. Although it says it on the tube, NEVER use Quicksilver 2/4C Lube on your gimbal, the balls in there don't like the teflon and tend to skid rather than roll, knackering the bearing quite quickly.
Always use a good quality EP2 grease.

Also, after greasing the bearing put a dab of sealant over the grease nipple end, there have been problems with water making its way down the grease channel and directly into the bearing. This has happened to me once.
 
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Fairly flexible this week if you need a hand.

thanks also Roy... goning to have a chat with work as they owe me weeks of TOIL (not that I ever take it)... will see if I can take the whole of Friday off to come down and get her out the water... just purchased an alignment tool prospectively.. even if not needed, it'll come in handy as I've convinced myself to drop the leg for inspection every year from now on rather than just doing the impeller change and external checks.
 
Gimbal bearing. Although it says it on the tube, NEVER use Quicksilver 2/4C Lube on your gimbal, the balls in there don't like the teflon and tend to skid rather than roll, knackering the bearing quite quickly.
Always use a good quality EP2 grease.

TK... I went out my way mate to buy Quicksilver UJoint and Gimbal Bearing grease from Deacons boatyard... this stuff

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I do have a niggle that I've pumped too much in though on reading a few posts... certainly more than the 4 pumps one thread recommended
 
Fair snuff. When you pull the drive have a look up the bellows at the ally gimbal bearing housing. If you can see 2 opposite slots in the housing you only have to change the bearing itself without resorting to pullers ect.

Just tap one side of the bearing till it spins in the housing and lines up with the slots and she will pull straight out leaving the alloy carrier still in place. Just put the new one in its place.

If you can't see the slots, its a bit more trouble I'm afraid cos the carrier is in the other way round.
 
Fair snuff. When you pull the drive have a look up the bellows at the ally gimbal bearing housing. If you can see 2 opposite slots in the housing you only have to change the bearing itself without resorting to pullers ect.

Just tap one side of the bearing till it spins in the housing and lines up with the slots and she will pull straight out leaving the alloy carrier still in place. Just put the new one in its place.

If you can't see the slots, its a bit more trouble I'm afraid cos the carrier is in the other way round.

thanks TK, if it starts to look a hard job or one that's going to take too long... it'll be time to get the wallet out I reckon and let someone else scuff their knuckles... have yet to do a job on an engine or gearbox without losing some skin
 
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