My new project... MFV Elizmor

[chinita]

Who did you have in mind?

We could start with people who post variations on:

'Why doesn't she just get the marina's own travel hoist to lift it up and put it on an HGV? No crane, no site survey, truck it round to a cheaper lift in place. All this fuss would be over.'

 

[Eyore]

Why doesn't she just get the marina's own travel hoist to lift it up and put it on an HGV? No crane, no site survey, truck it round to a cheaper lift in place. All this fuss would be over.

That would be the 12 t travelhoist I presume as its the only one they have. Wonder if things would go boing or would it just do the splits?

 

[fisherman]

Why doesn't she just get the marina's own travel hoist to lift it up and put it on an HGV? No crane, no site survey, truck it round to a cheaper lift in place. All this fuss would be over.

It's spectacular how the length of this thread has resulted in a circular narrative.

 

[MYStargazer]

http://www.prestonmarina.co.uk/core_pages/EZMR.htm

I don't see any need to return to blaming Preston Marina for this.

I'm not blaming them. They might not know how easily this could be resolved. Their official statements seem to be written by someone quite junior and powerless.

 

[dom]

Their official statements seem to be written by someone quite junior and powerless.

I've never had a junior who could produce a balanced, well argued and well written response even close to the standard of Preston's post up there somewhere.

 

[MYStargazer]

I've never had a junior who could produce a balanced, well argued and well written response even close to the standard of Preston's post up there somewhere.

It's just the non-committal "I can confirm..." tone they speak in. Just doesn't sound like a decision-maker.

 

[chinita]

(sorry, not using "JE", baby names stop being cute at about 11 years old)

Well said JumblyDucky.

 

[Wandering Star]

It's just the non-committal "I can confirm..." tone they speak in. Just doesn't sound like a decision-maker.

"I can confirm" would appear to be a statement of the companies position on a matter. The fact Preston Marina then simultaneously include the same position statement within their company website too would tend to suggest to a simple soul like me, that the message comes from the top dog in the business. How would you have worded the statement then?

 

[MYStargazer]

"I can confirm" would appear to be a statement of the companies position on a matter. The fact Preston Marina then simultaneously include the same position statement within their company website too would tend to suggest to a simple soul like me, that the message comes from the top dog in the business. How would you have worded the statement then?

I'd just write normally.

 

[fisherman]

I'd just write normally.

Ha! I think you're on to something: the PM statement is obviously not worth the electrons it's written with, and they are not doing enough to enable the craneage for some reason.

 

[Lakesailor]

Because it isn't their problem. They have to carry on in business long after Elizmor has gone (which they know is the plan).

I can't see why they should bend any regulations or even their own rules to help out someone who is not a customer and will not become one once the ship is launched. If they undertook to lift without the insurance in place and there was a damaging incident, they would be left out in the open to claims. Why should they do that? How would they argue against not doing the same again for the next impecunious punter who buys a another hard-stood boat in their yard?

 

[Scarboroughsloop]

Because it isn't their problem. They have to carry on in business long after Elizmor has gone (which they know is the plan).

I can't see why they should bend any regulations or even their own rules to help out someone who is not a customer and will not become one once the ship is launched. If they undertook to lift without the insurance in place and there was a damaging incident, they would be left out in the open to claims. Why should they do that? How would they argue against not doing the same again for the next impecunious punter who buys a another hard-stood boat in their yard?

Bang on there Lakey. I can't see Preston marina have done anything wrong here, and have even helped her with free bits and pieces. That's pretty good of them since (at the time of their post) they had received no payment from JE.

JE has gone off to to sort her own cranage and it looks like she's failing.

It's been said time and time again that the only problem here is JE does not have the funds to launch.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Well said JumblyDucky.

Fair point. Mind you, I don't use JumbleDuck as my work name.

 

[MYStargazer]

I can't see why they should bend any regulations or even their own rules to help out someone who is not a customer and will not become one once the ship is launched. If they undertook to lift without the insurance in place and there was a damaging incident, they would be left out in the open to claims. Why should they do that? How would they argue against not doing the same again for the next impecunious punter who buys a another hard-stood boat in their yard?

No. No. No!

I'm just saying they could ask the underwriter to waive the need, on this occasion, for a ground survey - given that the ground is obviously sound.

They could just apply a little commercial pressure.

I've worked for insurance companies, and if I was underwriting this I'd be prepared to be flexible.

I'm not suggesting for one moment that they lift without insurance FFS!

 

[JumbleDuck]

"I can confirm" would appear to be a statement of the companies position on a matter. The fact Preston Marina then simultaneously include the same position statement within their company website too would tend to suggest to a simple soul like me, that the message comes from the top dog in the business. How would you have worded the statement then?

"I've been to see the underwriter, who is a jolly naice chep. I'm a jolly naice chep too, so we had a bit of a jolly naice old chinwag over it and he said that he was sure his shareholders wouldn't mind if they had to pay out for the avoidable loss of a million quid's worth of crane as long as it had all been arranged by jolly naice cheps. Chin-chin."

 

[JumbleDuck]

I'm just saying they could ask the underwriter to waive the need, on this occasion, for a ground survey - given that the ground is obviously sound.

Obvious to whom? I bet every single one of the amusing crane disasters you can find on youtube was preceded by someone saying "Well, that's obviously OK" or the equivalent.

On the bright side, if the ground really is obviously all right, a ground surveyor will just have to turn up, give it the nod and drive off again without the time and expense of a site inspection.

 

[MrB]

Fair point. Mind you, I don't use JumbleDuck as my work name.

From this day on, thou shalt be called "JumblyDucky" on the forums. Proper funny.:encouragement:

 

[JumbleDuck]

From this day on, thou shalt be called "JumblyDucky" on the forums. Proper funny.:encouragement:

Do I have to grow dreads and get dahn wiv da kidz?

 

[MrB]

Do I have to grow dreads and get dahn wiv da kidz?

Maybe get sponsorship too?

 

[MYStargazer]

Obvious to whom?

Preston Marina have said as much.

Not that I can be bothered to find their posting(s) now...