JumbleDuck
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The article(s) in PBO, I guess.
My new project... MFV Elizmor
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The article(s) in PBO, I guess.
dylanwinter
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they are interested in the interest she can generate from people who have the right demographic
in this case 1000 boat owners is worth more to Lewmar than 500,000 teenage mobile phone owners keen on Justin
they are much more discerning about demographics than they used to be in the past
so the length of this thread is very important
the people who evaluate her publicity potential are not idiots
as for those above who object to commercial posters spoiling the purity of the forum
she is an interesting sailor with an interesting boat in an interesting predicament
the odd sponsored anchor is neighter her nor there
lots of people are keen to find out what happens next
or discuss the predicament
this would be a thin old forum if anyone with a "commercial" interest in sailing were to be thrown off here
Dylan
175 posts since 2001 is not going to make this a very interesting or dynamic place
Blueboatman
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There is a young girl with a boat
who chust wants the damned thing afloat.
So's off she can go, neither rash, foolish nor slow...
Whilst all around say:''.. Told 'ee so".
But the brain-drain of a crane,
to lift or abstain ( with safetys refrain)
Does sore trouble this forum, oho!
Dontcha know.
who chust wants the damned thing afloat.
So's off she can go, neither rash, foolish nor slow...
Whilst all around say:''.. Told 'ee so".
But the brain-drain of a crane,
to lift or abstain ( with safetys refrain)
Does sore trouble this forum, oho!
Dontcha know.
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lw395
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Thanks.
70t is pretty serious.
I had wondered about moving it by road to a travel hoist, dumping it somewhere at low tide, a crane on a barge etc
We've seen enough crane mishaps over the past few years.
I got scared enough when having 2.6t of Impala craned on mediocre ground.
JumbleDuck
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I think the problem is that whatever happens it needs to start with a crane and if the boat is going on to a low loader it may as well go another few yards into the sea. It sounds as if launching coats may have been why the previous owners wanted to sell.
clyst
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Absolutely Mr duck I wonder whether the previous owner is following this thread .
Tam Lin
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If we all get together and push hard..............,,,,,?
Trop Cher
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But the previous owner did tell her of his quote to get the boat launched was in the region of £5,000, so he wasn't hiding anything. And if I remember rightly that quote was a few years old.
Lakesailor
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That was my point back in the mists of time.
The exuberance of youth may have clouded her judgement and she doesn't seem to have got a quote directly from Preston Marina for the lift before buying.
She may have been able to knock the difference off the "quote" and the real price in the purchase negotiations.
How long do the engineers' reports last? There was a big lift recently.Could the report be valid for her? Perhaps it wasn't in the right spot. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...000.1073741827.000000000000000&type=1&theater
In case you don't use Google Maps here is the situation
The exuberance of youth may have clouded her judgement and she doesn't seem to have got a quote directly from Preston Marina for the lift before buying.
She may have been able to knock the difference off the "quote" and the real price in the purchase negotiations.
How long do the engineers' reports last? There was a big lift recently.Could the report be valid for her? Perhaps it wasn't in the right spot. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...000.1073741827.000000000000000&type=1&theater
In case you don't use Google Maps here is the situation
Cardo
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That was my point back in the mists of time.
The exuberance of youth may have clouded her judgement and she doesn't seem to have got a quote directly from Preston Marina for the lift before buying.
She may have been able to knock the difference off the "quote" and the real price in the purchase negotiations.
How long do the engineers' reports last? There was a big lift recently.Could the report be valid for her? Perhaps it wasn't in the right spot. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...000.1073741827.000000000000000&type=1&theater
In case you don't use Google Maps here is the situation
That large boat to port looks fairly hefty. How did that get back into the drink?
davidpbo
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Good info Lakey
Not that straightforward a lift then, either the crane has to reach over several boats which greatly increases the size of the crane and probably insurance costs and/or several boats have to be moved now to give adequate access to the crane, and still the question about the ground.
Not that straightforward a lift then, either the crane has to reach over several boats which greatly increases the size of the crane and probably insurance costs and/or several boats have to be moved now to give adequate access to the crane, and still the question about the ground.
Lakesailor
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It may still be there.
If not I guess the bloke paid the money.
If you mean the one moored, who knows if it ever was on the hard. Whilst the image is copyrighted 2014 we don't know how recent this shot is.
There was mention of a big boat nearby scheduled for a lift in February.
KevB
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I believe things have already been moved to allow a crane to come alongside. Although a couple of planks aft into the water and give it a push...
Cardo
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If this is the case, might it not be an idea for JE to cosy up to the people lifting that boat? A problem shared is a problem halved!
fisherman
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According to JE there are no problems with space or the ground, just the paperwork and liability, and cost thereof.
JumbleDuck
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Alas, though, she is not qualified to say that there is no problem with the ground. That has to be done by someone with qualifications and professional indemnity insurance and costs money.
Preston Marina
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Further to our post on this forum thread on 16th January, we have very recently been contacted by a former berth-holder to advise us that “Elizmor” arrived at Preston Marina in 1997 and was lifted from the water to her current position in 2001.
If she did, as is now being suggested (and we do not dispute), arrive in 1997 and was lifted in 2001 then this would mean that this lift (undertaken with a sub-contactor) was performed in accordance with all prevailing legislation.
Our belief that “Elizmor” arrived in 1992 and was lifted around 1996 comes from the fact that although all our daily activity and accounting records for the period in question are no longer available our hurried research revealed that the then owner’s original enquiry correspondence with us, and his first Berthing Application form to us was all dated throughout 1992. We felt that she remained afloat here for around 4 years before being lifted out which is supported by this new information.
We are very grateful to our previous customer for giving us this information regarding “Elizmor’s” lift out, as it has only ever been our intention to record accurate information relating to this story and this is why we have posted this correction.
We have also been reminded by this same source that two other large vessels were lifted on the same day that “Elizmor” was lifted out with the same crane, which will, obviously, have meant that the cost was shared among three boat owners and was therefore likely to have been a significant factor in making the job more palatable to our customers.
With all the above said however, we feel we need to state that we stand by the remaining observations in our posting and would submit that our comments on the fundamental issues of planning, insurances, ground loadings, winter storms, Christmas holidays, site preparations, unrealistic and unseasonal urgency and Ellie’s withdrawal are not affected by the date of the original lift out.
We understand Ellie’s frustration on 7th Jan but re-iterate that we remain available and willing to assist in any we can, and in fact in the intervening time since our last posting there have been significant developments here which could prove to be helpful steps towards launching Elizmor.
If she did, as is now being suggested (and we do not dispute), arrive in 1997 and was lifted in 2001 then this would mean that this lift (undertaken with a sub-contactor) was performed in accordance with all prevailing legislation.
Our belief that “Elizmor” arrived in 1992 and was lifted around 1996 comes from the fact that although all our daily activity and accounting records for the period in question are no longer available our hurried research revealed that the then owner’s original enquiry correspondence with us, and his first Berthing Application form to us was all dated throughout 1992. We felt that she remained afloat here for around 4 years before being lifted out which is supported by this new information.
We are very grateful to our previous customer for giving us this information regarding “Elizmor’s” lift out, as it has only ever been our intention to record accurate information relating to this story and this is why we have posted this correction.
We have also been reminded by this same source that two other large vessels were lifted on the same day that “Elizmor” was lifted out with the same crane, which will, obviously, have meant that the cost was shared among three boat owners and was therefore likely to have been a significant factor in making the job more palatable to our customers.
With all the above said however, we feel we need to state that we stand by the remaining observations in our posting and would submit that our comments on the fundamental issues of planning, insurances, ground loadings, winter storms, Christmas holidays, site preparations, unrealistic and unseasonal urgency and Ellie’s withdrawal are not affected by the date of the original lift out.
We understand Ellie’s frustration on 7th Jan but re-iterate that we remain available and willing to assist in any we can, and in fact in the intervening time since our last posting there have been significant developments here which could prove to be helpful steps towards launching Elizmor.
Lakesailor
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Thanks for keeping us up-to-date. It sounds hopeful.
Blueboatman
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Ellie stated that Elizmor had been on the hard for 10 years when she bought her last year.
So that would be about right.
Well done and thankyou to Preston Marina for the most useful update .
So that would be about right.
Well done and thankyou to Preston Marina for the most useful update .
lw395
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That's not always the same lift, although the weight is obviously the same, the radius from the crane can be a lot less, and the hull might be able to stay in the same place while a trailer is slipped under it.
Another few yards means 'a bigger crane'.
On a smaller scale I've seen that done with a couple of gantries.
But we are talking about moving a small ship rather than a boat!
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