Multiple boat crashes in Hamble

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If anyone on here has a boat moored in port hamble pontoon E (upstream) may want to go and check on his boat! As a flexeisail boat tried to depart her berth and start a good weekend and it crashed into number of boats and eventually got stuck by a brand new boats's anchor!

The boat herself was badly damaged with smashed windows and damage to the superstructure - but the other boats which were moored Aldo got hit...

Marina staff were amazing and took control of the situation as poor skipper had completely lost the plot...
 
vandy said:
If anyone on here has a boat moored in port hamble pontoon E (upstream) may want to go and check on his boat! As a flexeisail boat tried to depart her berth and start a good weekend and it crashed into number of boats and eventually got stuck by a brand new boats's anchor!

The boat herself was badly damaged with smashed windows and damage to the superstructure - but the other boats which were moored Aldo got hit...

Marina staff were amazing and took control of the situation as poor skipper had completely lost the plot...
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I think this post may be anti-sailist; remember all damage is caused by mobo's wash.


John G
 
Jegs said:
I think this post may be anti-sailist; remember all damage is caused by mobo's wash.


John G
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Were it so ! However, presumably the yacht concerned was under engine, so yes at the time a motorboat - perhaps the EU should ban engines in yachts ! (easier than banning idiots in them !)
 
No! Not anti sail-ist! Just showed the impact of spring current on a 40ft+ boat.... The skipper thought his bow thruster will help him to steer but it had no effects whatsoever as the current was so strong...

I'm surprised why they didn't ask him to wait until slack time... Complete drama in the marina...
 
vandy said:
No! Not anti sail-ist! Just showed the impact of spring current on a 40ft+ boat.... The skipper thought his bow thruster will help him to steer but it had no effects whatsoever as the current was so strong...

I'm surprised why they didn't ask him to wait until slack time... Complete drama in the marina...
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No need to wait till slack tide you just need basic competence, trainable in a day.

I do training/induction days for one of the boatshare cos there sometimes. I always always get the person in and out of the marina at the peak of the ebb. So they know.

I have heard one of the saily instructors for a different company telling his victim to add power and go faster if the tide is running fast. Absolute incompetence to suggest that in my view.
 
Strong Ebb

Perfect ferry glide conditions in that marina.

I do similar job to Elessar on occasion and some of the advice about dealing with the current is completely wrong.

The more energy (throttle etc) you add to the boat, the bigger the bill if/when you hit something.
 
Elessar said:
I have heard one of the saily instructors for a different company telling his victim to add power and go faster if the tide is running fast. Absolute incompetence to suggest that in my view.
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Totally agree. Though if you have ever witnessed the charter skippers coming back in you wonht be suprised.

Its like one big waterbourne willy waving contenst - the winner being the one who can steam in backwards at he highest speed
 
So pleased we left there, full of renters and racers with very little atmosphere and plenty of risk for similar instances.

We had a number of boat impailed on our anchor over years we were there, on one instance they bent the anchor!

Agree slow is pro, high reving engines in the marina = more spectacular crash!
 
Whitelighter said:
Strong Ebb

Perfect ferry glide conditions in that marina.

I do similar job to Elessar on occasion and some of the advice about dealing with the current is completely wrong.

The more energy (throttle etc) you add to the boat, the bigger the bill if/when you hit something.
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Abso-bloody-lutely. But first you have to know, a) there is a strong tide running, b) which direction & how fast it is running & c) what a ferry glide is & how to do it. I suspect the miscreant was missing one or all of the above information.

BTW, I do realise one doesn't actually need to know the actual water speed, but just be able to judge one's speed & direction dynamically to deal with it.
 
In my humble opinion as I am clearly not expert, it's not always good to think slow in a strong ebb. Sometimes need a bit of power to get the bow around before the tide takes hold of it taking you sideways towards the danger area. A bit of power whilst close to the uptide boats to position your bow so you can leave the marina with it angled towards the uptide or upwind (whichever the stronger) direction may be called for. Too little power allows the elements to take control. I'm not talking lots of power, just enough to counteract the elements to position the boat so those same elements can then be used in your favour. I think many folk forget they have a reverse gear to achieve that outcome too.
 
I think some of us are missing the point, all these tips and advice are valid but when you put them into practice they very much depend on which boat and as the boat owner you apply them appropriately on your boat. The charter boats etc. have completely different story as the skipper often has little time to get to know the boat and if I was going to operate a charter company I rather not advise the customers to start in a potentially hazardous situation (hence, my comment about slack time...)
 
oGaryo said:
In my humble opinion as I am clearly not expert, it's not always good to think slow in a strong ebb. Sometimes need a bit of power to get the bow around before the tide takes hold of it taking you sideways towards the danger area. A bit of power whilst close to the uptide boats to position your bow so you can leave the marina with it angled towards the uptide or upwind (whichever the stronger) direction may be called for. Too little power allows the elements to take control. I'm not talking lots of power, just enough to counteract the elements to position the boat so those same elements can then be used in your favour. I think many folk forget they have a reverse gear to achieve that outcome too.
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We'll need to take a spin gary. I dont allow students to use any more than tickover. Revs can come, exceptionally and only in the advanced class. Revs aren't necessary its about getting the boat balanced into the prevailing force.
 
vandy said:
I think some of us are missing the point, all these tips and advice are valid but when you put them into practice they very much depend on which boat and as the boat owner you apply them appropriately on your boat. The charter boats etc. have completely different story as the skipper often has little time to get to know the boat and if I was going to operate a charter company I rather not advise the customers to start in a potentially hazardous situation (hence, my comment about slack time...)
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Nope if you cant hold the boat dead still in the marina in the strong ebb, I wouldn't sign you off as competent to take a boat share boat. If you can hold it still you can creep along dead slow.
 
I would agree to a certain extent.... but with a yacht with a folding prop you need a bit of welly to get the prop to open initially, or even change of direction. before the boat will do anything......
 
AIDY said:
I would agree to a certain extent.... but with a yacht with a folding prop you need a bit of welly to get the prop to open initially, or even change of direction. before the boat will do anything......
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Oh yeah i agree you need revs on a yacht to open the prop and get a burst of prop wash. But you absolutely and most definately dont need boat speed.
 
Elessar said:
We'll need to take a spin gary. I dont allow students to use any more than tickover. Revs can come, exceptionally and only in the advanced class. Revs aren't necessary its about getting the boat balanced into the prevailing force.
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I'd enjoy that Mark but maybe I have over started the power thing. All I am talking about is leaving berth with a strong tide to the stern, using reverse throttle to control the exit from the berth until clear allowing the tide to do the forward momentum work. Appropriate amount of starboard reverse to start the bow turning to stbd whilst holding station and then forward on the port to continue bringing the bow around whilst commencing forward movement out of the marina. I want to learn how to combine both these throttle actions to turn the boat more quickly in close quarters but have yet to practice it. All done within close proximity of the berth I've left to keep clear of the boats I could be blown on to opposite the berth if I allowed it. The amount of throttle used will be dependant on the strength of tide and wind up the chuff. Not had a prang or risk of doing so using this method yet. Again, always up for more tuition from the likes of yourself mate, it'd be fun :)

Off on a slight tangent, there is a berthing technique I learned on the advanced powerboat course that relies on a bit of speed for it to work, another example where it's not always the answer to keep things dead slow, again, in my humble opinion.
 
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oGaryo said:
I'd enjoy that Mark but maybe I have over started the power thing. All I am talking about is leaving berth with a strong tide to the stern, using reverse throttle to control the exit from the berth until clear allowing the tide to do the forward momentum work. Appropriate amount of starboard reverse to start the bow turning to stbd whilst holding station and then forward on the port to continue bringing the bow around whilst commencing forward movement out of the marina. I want to learn how to combine both these throttle actions to turn the boat more quickly in close quarters but have yet to practice it. All done within close proximity of the berth I've left to keep clear of the boats I could be blown on to opposite the berth if I allowed it. The amount of throttle used will be dependant on the strength of tide and wind up the chuff. Not had a prang or risk of doing so using this method yet. Again, always up for more tuition from the likes of yourself mate, it'd be fun :)

Off on a slight tangent, there is a berthing technique I learned on the advanced powerboat course that relies on a bit of speed for it to work, another example where it's not always the answer to keep things dead slow, again, in my humble opinion.
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i am based on c pontoon mercury been hit three times this year loads happen midweek when we are not at marina schools come in doing pontoon bashing teaching the students on board.
Cant beleive marina staff let it happen most are not even berthed in the marina normally 4 students on board all going to have a go at berthing tough luck if your boats next to the berth they are practicing on.

One came in the other sunday afternoon tide starting to run, landed on my neighbers maxi, skipper was no better than his students.dont give a s----t attitude
create havoc then p--s off with us to sort the damage.
All too common on the hamble
 
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