snowleopard
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The Yealm harbourmaster is now charging 50% extra on the pontoons. Not that there is much chance of finding a space there!
Multihull surcharges - another one to avoid
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ShipsWoofy
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The average beam of a Mobo the same size as my boat is 10' as opposed to my 13' 9".
The average beam of a sailing yacht of 26' is around 9'
So surely any surcharge for me should be 1/4 not 1/2.
As usual the money grabbers grab. They put me on a berth 10 miles from the steps in an area with tumble weed on the pontoons. I should get a reduction as I can go into a shallow berth where they stuff the little power boats!
The average beam of a sailing yacht of 26' is around 9'
So surely any surcharge for me should be 1/4 not 1/2.
As usual the money grabbers grab. They put me on a berth 10 miles from the steps in an area with tumble weed on the pontoons. I should get a reduction as I can go into a shallow berth where they stuff the little power boats!
TigaWave
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How wide are you! my 39' monohull was over 13' wide, so a bit cheeky unless you've chartered Club Med or whatever its called now...
moodycruiser
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Unless you are stern or bow to mooring, or taking up space between pontoons so as to render an adjacent berth useless, it can only be considered daylight robbery. I used to live on a cat and often wondered why I was paying 50% extra for being on an outside berth on a pontoon. Where's the logic in that ??
snowleopard
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We are pretty wide - 23ft. If I park between fingers and take 2 berths fair enough but alongside we take up the same amount of pontoon as a 39ft mono.
tonyran
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Ah yes. But you see you really have two boats but they are joined together in the middle. If you've only be charged 1.5 times the going rate for your hull length you've actually been given a 25% volume discount. Wouldnt complain IIWU.
Birdseye
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We are pretty wide - 23ft. If I park between fingers and take 2 berths fair enough but alongside we take up the same amount of pontoon as a 39ft mono.
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I know where you are coming from. Its one of the factors that made me sell my cat because I could only see it getting worse - and the unfairness of it (my boat was aProut and therefore narrow) used to irritate me out of all proportion to the money involved. Luckily it only ever happened to me outside the UK, but since then we have had a boating boom.
The fairest system would be per square meter. The pontoon length argument doesnt apply since the HM can berth one less boat outside you than he can a mono.
We are pretty wide - 23ft. If I park between fingers and take 2 berths fair enough but alongside we take up the same amount of pontoon as a 39ft mono.
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I know where you are coming from. Its one of the factors that made me sell my cat because I could only see it getting worse - and the unfairness of it (my boat was aProut and therefore narrow) used to irritate me out of all proportion to the money involved. Luckily it only ever happened to me outside the UK, but since then we have had a boating boom.
The fairest system would be per square meter. The pontoon length argument doesnt apply since the HM can berth one less boat outside you than he can a mono.
Talbot
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Your example
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my 39' monohull was over 13' wide
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is why a lot of older cat owners get somewhat twisted out of shape about this.
This motorboat is the same width as my cat and is 39 ft long so gets charged for 39 ft. My cat takes up less length at 30ft yet gets charged as a 45 ft
I have no difficulfy with a method of pricing based on volume, it is rampant discrimination that gets up my nose. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
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my 39' monohull was over 13' wide
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is why a lot of older cat owners get somewhat twisted out of shape about this.
This motorboat is the same width as my cat and is 39 ft long so gets charged for 39 ft. My cat takes up less length at 30ft yet gets charged as a 45 ft
I have no difficulfy with a method of pricing based on volume, it is rampant discrimination that gets up my nose. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Talbot
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Its one of the factors that made me sell my cat
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For me, it is one of the factors that make me avoid marinas like the plague wherever possible
Its one of the factors that made me sell my cat
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For me, it is one of the factors that make me avoid marinas like the plague wherever possible
ShipsWoofy
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Isn't your berth on a marina? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
bilbobaggins
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This multihull enthusiast is quite comfortable with the idea of being charged i.r.o. volume - displaced, that is!
I do not know of any occurrence - in over 30 years sailing all types - of a marina having to turn away a paying monomaran guest because a multi was occupying 'more space'. There have been plenty of occasions when multis have been required to 'overlap' hulls e.g. in a corner of QAB Marina at Plymouth. No suggestion of a discount then....
The surcharge is unjustified, in almost every circumstance.
I do not know of any occurrence - in over 30 years sailing all types - of a marina having to turn away a paying monomaran guest because a multi was occupying 'more space'. There have been plenty of occasions when multis have been required to 'overlap' hulls e.g. in a corner of QAB Marina at Plymouth. No suggestion of a discount then....
The surcharge is unjustified, in almost every circumstance.
Sea Devil
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Agree with all - But what to do about it? Should the RYA on behalf of Multihull owners be asked to confront Marinas in UK and/or Europe? It may need lots of Multihull owners to request that of the RYA.... Or should Yachting Monthly - Yachting World start a campane....
Is there someone who can form a multihull owners Inc to move this forward??????
Is there someone who can form a multihull owners Inc to move this forward??????
Talbot
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No - its on a pontoon, but not connected to the shore and not part of any marina.
wagenaar
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I assume you mean charging for the surface-area occupied, iow paying for length times width. Since a cat misses the lead bulbs under the ship, the volume is normally much less than that of an equivalent mono!!
Talbot
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You are right, volume could be a tad vague
If you equate it to displacement, then half boat people may be slightly peeved
If you equate it to interior space, then trimarans would be really happy
basing on length + breadth would be the best (if you multiply, it will really skew the numbers)
If you equate it to displacement, then half boat people may be slightly peeved
If you equate it to interior space, then trimarans would be really happy
basing on length + breadth would be the best (if you multiply, it will really skew the numbers)
snowleopard
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There are places where length x beam is used for calculation of charges. I have met it in marinas in Portugal and I pay for my winter storage on that basis.
Gunfleet
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Will I get a discount? My boat is only 7'6" wide. They made them narrow in the 60s.
