Mounting Solar Panels On Guard Rails

[PaulRainbow]

I don't see it as arguing.

I posted an answer to the OP request. You picked me up on the fact that the OP wanted to swing the panel down I did not read than in the OP post so why raise it in you replay to my post.

When I answered that my solution could be also allow the panel to swing down by mot throwing up too tight. You again responded to me.

If you wish to give the OP more info that your prerogative and I won't object but like you I may give the OP more information like fixing the panels to the top of the davits as in effect both you and I have done.

I simply informed you of a fact:

The panels cannot be rigidly clamped, they need to swing up and down.

No need to make a meal of it.

My panels are not fixed to davits, they are fixed to a custom built solar arch.

The OP might not want to fit solar panels to fold away davits.

 

[PaulRainbow]

So Paul whats you solution.

I would fit Rivnuts into the holes, then slot one of the saddle holes. Half a turn on each screw would allow the saddle to turn and the panel to be lifted off.

 

[PaulRainbow]

There's a pattern emerging!

Yes, he's trying to create an argument from nothing here, trying to create one in the bow thruster thread too.

 

[pvb]

Yes, he's trying to create an argument from nothing here, trying to create one in the bow thruster thread too.

You're right; constant backbiting.

 

[rogerthebodger]

You're right; constant backbiting.

What's your endgame here?

Still cannot get to the central point

Ad Hominem.

 

[pvb]

What's your endgame here?

No endgame, your constant backbiting is just tedious.

 

[rogerthebodger]

I'd be cautious about using bulldog clamps on guardrail wire - they have the potential to damage the wire, reducing its strength.

Only in the hands of an unskilled hack.

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Better than a simple U Bolt or conduit clip.

 

[rogerthebodger]

No endgame, your constant backbiting is just tedious.

So is yours uncalled for and must be very irritating to other members.

I only respond to your sarcastic comments to defend myself.

Of cause you have an end game so come clean why do you find it necessary to comment on all my posts.

I think you are trying to discredit me of get the moderators to ban me

 

[pvb]

Only in the hands of an unskilled hack.

I think you're being unduly dismissive of the safety concerns. Bulldog clamps can crush the wire, leading to distortion or breakage of strands, and industry practice is not to use them on load-bearing cables. As the guardrail wires are potentially load-bearing, I reckon it's better to try to avoid damaging them in any way. But I'm probably just an "unskilled hack"!

 

[vyv_cox]

Hanging the panels on the guardwires is probably going to be a solution for typical UK berthing, on pontoons or against walls. In the Mediterranean, or even in tight pontoon berths, there is a risk of fouling them on another boat. In the past nearly 20 years I have had three stanchions almost bent double, once in Guernsey when another boat departed and dragged mine with him, twice in Mediterranean when strong cross-winds made berthing problematic for everyone. Swinging them right over inside the wires may be a solution if possible but I would not want them hanging outside.

 

[pvb]

So is yours uncalled for and must be very irritating to other members.

I only respond to your sarcastic comments to defend myself.

Of cause you have an end game so come clean why do you find it necessary to comment on all my posts.

I think you are trying to discredit me of get the moderators to ban me

I don't find it necessary to comment on all your posts, and a cursory glance at your posting history will show that your claim is untrue. If you want to get banned, just keep posting false claims.

 

[RupertW]

What's your endgame here?

Still cannot get to the central point

Ad Hominem.

Is it still Ad Hominem if the point the person is arguing is about the emerging character of a person? It’s only Ad Hominem if it’s a distraction to the argument being made and we already know you don’t understand the OPs question so this thread drift is now all about you.

 

[rogerthebodger]

I think you're being unduly dismissive of the safety concerns. Bulldog clamps can crush the wire, leading to distortion or breakage of strands, and industry practice is not to use them on load-bearing cables. As the guardrail wires are potentially load-bearing, I reckon it's better to try to avoid damaging them in any way. But I'm probably just an "unskilled hack"!

Yes they can can crush the wire, leading to distortion or breakage of strands if abused.

From my experience with lifting heavy machinery I don't see boat safety lines to really load bearing but my view of loads will be different to you're.

My reasoning is the a bulldog clip for the correct size for the wire rope would give a better bearing surface on the wire rope than a much harger conduit clip.

Personally I would not mount a solar panel and the safety wires any way. When I did mine I mounted on the pushpit with U bolts and a angle support bolted to the panel frame.

But I was answering the OP question.

You and or Paul have criticised me before for not answering the OP's question which I took on board and now I also been criticized for answering the question even I would not do it that way.

If you cannot accept me from posting I suggest you request the moderators to ban me of discist what I see a sarcastic and unbecoming attacks.

 

[pvb]

If you cannot accept me from posting I suggest you request the moderators to ban me of discist what I see a sarcastic and unbecoming attacks.

I'm not sure I fully understand that, but forums are places where different views are expressed freely - some of which you'll disagree with. We all either have to accept that fact, or the alternative is to not use forums. Your eagerness to leap in to criticise me (and others) won't have been missed by other users.

 

[rogerthebodger]

Is it still Ad Hominem if the point the person is arguing is about the emerging character of a person? It’s only Ad Hominem if it’s a distraction to the argument being made and we already know you don’t understand the OPs question so this thread drift is now all about you.

Well pvb and PR are making it about me as a far a Ad Hominem it see the attacks are personally motivated as I don't always agree with their posting

pvb and PB seen to take a front to me, I have my suspicions but will not post then as I know they will take it as an affront.

 

[PaulRainbow]

My reasoning is the a bulldog clip for the correct size for the wire rope would give a better bearing surface on the wire rope than a much harger conduit clip.

How much of a bearing surface do you imagine a 4kg solar panel requires ?

 

[rogerthebodger]

I'm not sure I fully understand that, but forums are places where different views are expressed freely - some of which you'll disagree with. We all either have to accept that fact, or the alternative is to not use forums. Your eagerness to leap in to criticise me (and others) won't have been missed by other users.

So why do you answer any of my posts to on OP if I am free to post a different view.

I have said many time before it up to the OP to accept or reject any information so why post unless it you who wish to start a argument.

 

[PaulRainbow]

Well pvb and PR are making it about me as a far a Ad Hominem it see the attacks are personally motivated as I don't always agree with their posting

pvb and PB seen to take a front to me, I have my suspicions but will not post then as I know they will take it as an affront.

Look back at post #8, how is that "about you" ?

 

[pvb]

So why do you answer any of my posts to on OP if I am free to post a different view.

I have said many time before it up to the OP to accept or reject any information so why post unless it you who wish to start a argument.

I don't wish to "start a argument". However, to take a current example, I believe your advice to use bulldog clamps is flawed, because of possible damage to the guardrail wire, and as a safety-related issue felt I had to say so. The OP will make up his own mind on whose advice to follow.

 

[rogerthebodger]

How much of a bearing surface do you imagine a 4kg solar panel requires ?

Well it static loading so more that a dynamic bearings.

Its not the weight but any shock loading due to the movement of the boat.

It fact that the bearing load is on wire rope which does not have a uniform surface that needs to be taken into account

The main point is the free play needs to be limited as with too much bearing gap you can start fretting of the wire rope which would reduce the strength of the wire rope which i of course is undesirable.