Mounting chartplotter in small sailng boat

[bedouin]

It was unclear as to whether Tin tin meant 'a collision with another helmsman...' or 'a collision, with my helmsman...'. Without the comma, my impression was that he meant another boat, in which case we have no information about his competence or otherwise.

He can't mean that because he cannot know what the helmsman of the other boat has been doing. He can only have that level of knowledge of the helmsman in his own boat.

Plus of course it takes two to "narrowly avoid collision" so there must be a lack of attention by his own helmsman or he would have taken action earlier.

Tin Tin is of course a troll and almost certainly posts under another name as well. You mustn't take comments in response to a troll too seriously

 

[Tin Tin]

That is not a reason for you not to have the benefit of one at the helm of your boat - if you believe it is a benefit as almost all the contributors to this thread have explained.

I have no problem with being in the minority.
After all, there was only one Galileo once.

It was unclear as to whether Tin tin meant 'a collision with another helmsman...' or 'a collision, with my helmsman...'. Without the comma, my impression was that he meant another boat, in which case we have no information about his competence or otherwise.

In one. Thank you. :encouragement:

He can't mean that because he cannot know what the helmsman of the other boat has been doing. He can only have that level of knowledge of the helmsman in his own boat.

1. When you come within a couple of metres from each other (narrow river - constrained by depth) you have a pretty good idea of what the helmsman on the other boat is/isn't doing.

Plus of course it takes two to "narrowly avoid collision" so there must be a lack of attention by his own helmsman or he would have taken action earlier.

See comment above

Tin Tin is of course a troll and almost certainly posts under another name as well. You mustn't take comments in response to a troll too seriously

Whatever gives you that idea?
Feel free to substantiate this statement.

 

[Tranona]

I have no problem with being in the minority.

It is not about being in a minority that is the issue. It is about the spurious reason for condemning the practice because other people might misuse the product.

Others have explained the benefits, and if you don't see them as benefits for you then that is fine.

Navigation has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years or so and technology has made it easier and safer. Pretty sure Galileo would have embraced it wholeheartedly.

 

[RupertW]

It is not about being in a minority that is the issue. It is about the spurious reason for condemning the practice because other people might misuse the product.

Others have explained the benefits, and if you don't see them as benefits for you then that is fine.

Navigation has changed out of all recognition over the last 30 years or so and technology has made it easier and safer. Pretty sure Galileo would have embraced it wholeheartedly.

I would hate to have a chartplotter at the helm and do see the lowering navigational skills of previously good sailors who fitted one. Of course there have been massive changes which have created some fun new toys but not necessarily for a richer sailing experience. I would never want to go back to pre-GPS days despite the skill lost of even knowing just your lat and long, but am happy to be in the small minority that dislikes chartplotters.

 

[Yealm]

I would hate to have a chartplotter at the helm and do see the lowering navigational skills of previously good sailors who fitted one. Of course there have been massive changes which have created some fun new toys but not necessarily for a richer sailing experience. I would never want to go back to pre-GPS days despite the skill lost of even knowing just your lat and long, but am happy to be in the small minority that dislikes chartplotters.

I'm guessing you would have disliked paper charts when they came in a few hundred years ago and made navigation much easier ?

 

[oldmanofthehills]

I'm guessing you would have disliked paper charts when they came in a few hundred years ago and made navigation much easier ?

+1
I do navigate quite a lot without plotter and waypoints, but coming into strange rocky anchorages at night or fog a plotter makes it merely stressy sometimes very stressy but not terrifying. I remember the old days and I was nervous much more often

 

[Tranona]

I would hate to have a chartplotter at the helm and do see the lowering navigational skills of previously good sailors who fitted one. Of course there have been massive changes which have created some fun new toys but not necessarily for a richer sailing experience. I would never want to go back to pre-GPS days despite the skill lost of even knowing just your lat and long, but am happy to be in the small minority that dislikes chartplotters.

How does it lower skills? There is nothing inherently virtuous about rejecting useful aids. Use the ones that you think enhance your experience and improve safety and convenience. Hanging onto older more "difficult" methods with their inevitable errors (through poor data or poor manipulation) seems somewhat perverse.

 

[Daydream believer]

I would hate to have a chartplotter at the helm and do see the lowering navigational skills of previously good sailors who fitted one. Of course there have been massive changes which have created some fun new toys but not necessarily for a richer sailing experience. I would never want to go back to pre-GPS days despite the skill lost of even knowing just your lat and long, but am happy to be in the small minority that dislikes chartplotters.

It depends on what you mean by " richer sail g experience" some get more fun from making their boat go fast & have sails &. Gizmos to help with that. Others like the stress free aspect. Some like to know that they can go to different places that they might not otherwise in far greater safety. I would suggest that you are only applying your own criteria. I might also be inclined to suggest that some of those that denegrate the chart plotter, but have one anyway, probably use it a lot more than they care to admit.

 

[johnalison]

When I fitted radar to our then new boat in 2000, I chose to add a (b&w) plotter, and my wife thought I was being grossly extravagant. When she found that she could press the 'find ship' button and be shown exactly where we were, she was converted. Sailing with only GPS (or without) is perfectly manageable, but the time saved plotting positions and keying in waypoints with a plotter makes having one an obvious choice for anyone who can afford it. I normally sail by waypoints, but on the rare occasion have been grateful to have a screen to view while helming, as when leaving Treguier between the rocks, which I do via iPad & WiFi, however, I don't find it essential and it is less easy to arrange with tiller steering.

 

[UK-WOOZY]

i had a Lowrance HDS on a gimble that i would swivel out from inside into the companion way of the Intro22 i had. I have kept the Lowrance for my Jeanneau 28ft and will put it on the chart table and i have just installed a simrad flush mounted in the cockpit. i seriously considered a tablet like a Lenovo but battery is still an issue with tablets, and have to use a waterproof holder and sunlight can be an issue and touchscreen response with wet hands or gloves might be an issue. good backup though.