PeteMylett
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If someone is motoring, main and genoa hoisted, on starboard tack and they have a collision with someone on sailing port, whose at fault? presumably Mr motor?
Motoring cones - do you use one?
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Sixpence
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my interpretation from a learners point of view is that both would be at fault for not keeping an adequate lookout , sod the sail V motoring argument or the give way V stand on argument , both should have seen the other and done something about it
I stand by to be shot down but that's how I see it
I stand by to be shot down but that's how I see it
caol
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my interpretation from a learners point of view is that both would be at fault for not keeping an adequate lookout , sod the sail V motoring argument or the give way V stand on argument , both should have seen the other and done something about it
I stand by to be shot down but that's how I see it
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This begs the question - which is WHAT they will do about it. The purpose of the steering rules is to make that as predictable as possible. In crowded waters like the Solent yours is just as much a recipe for chaos as the same approach would be on the road.
my interpretation from a learners point of view is that both would be at fault for not keeping an adequate lookout , sod the sail V motoring argument or the give way V stand on argument , both should have seen the other and done something about it
I stand by to be shot down but that's how I see it
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This begs the question - which is WHAT they will do about it. The purpose of the steering rules is to make that as predictable as possible. In crowded waters like the Solent yours is just as much a recipe for chaos as the same approach would be on the road.
Mirelle
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Yes, I understand that. I can go back to the late David Mellonie of Small Craft Deliveries sitting in the public bar of the Anchor and saying, "Woodbridge people don't need a Fairways Committee - we're all sensible!"
Oh that that were still true! But alas, it is not.
Since there is nil zero zilch chance of a full time Police boat, which would indeed be an undue waste of taxpayers money, or of the District or County Council doing anything, for similar reasons, I am suggesting a bit of self help. A river patrol who simply took note of infringements and passed names and details on to the Police would be a start.
Beyond wash damage to boats and banks, I am afraid that somebody is going to get killed, sooner or later.
Oh that that were still true! But alas, it is not.
Since there is nil zero zilch chance of a full time Police boat, which would indeed be an undue waste of taxpayers money, or of the District or County Council doing anything, for similar reasons, I am suggesting a bit of self help. A river patrol who simply took note of infringements and passed names and details on to the Police would be a start.
Beyond wash damage to boats and banks, I am afraid that somebody is going to get killed, sooner or later.
Sixpence
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OK , shot down ,,, but what would you do ?
Sgeir
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Dave, you must be on a troll now.... Both would be at fault if neither attempted to avoid a collision. The vessel under sail is the stand-on vessel, the motorsailing vessel should have altered course appropriately.
Sixpence
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Sorry if it seems that way but no , I only do that in the playground ,, up here I'm trying to pick the brains of more experienced sailors so I don't go out completely clueless that's all ,,,, just learning ,,, it took me long enough to join in with the sensible threads so now I'm just trying to make up for lost time . At least my answer was right after all , just for the wrong reasons
Take my word for it though ,,, no trolls will be used by me in the sensible threads , I only do that in the playground
Take my word for it though ,,, no trolls will be used by me in the sensible threads , I only do that in the playground
CodStewart
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Erk. I'm not bringing my boat into Trevera's cruising grounds.
Mirelle
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Well, I always use one in Belgium!
It's almost 20 years since I was pulled over by a Belgian police boat for not using one!
More seriously yes I try to use one, but I am more inclined to hoist it at the cross trees where (on a gaff cutter without the topsail set) it can easily be seen, and is out of the way, rather than try hoisting it on a headsail halyard.
It's almost 20 years since I was pulled over by a Belgian police boat for not using one!
More seriously yes I try to use one, but I am more inclined to hoist it at the cross trees where (on a gaff cutter without the topsail set) it can easily be seen, and is out of the way, rather than try hoisting it on a headsail halyard.
bilbobaggins
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"Leessen verree carefuleee..... I vil say zees onleee wunce!"
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"John Campbells' 'Yachtsman's Guide To The Collision Rules' is arguably the best yottie guide to learning and understanding the ColRegs that I've encountered in 36 years of doing this."
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Put the time in, like the rest of us, or go forth, etc.
You're certainly brighter than you look!
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"John Campbells' 'Yachtsman's Guide To The Collision Rules' is arguably the best yottie guide to learning and understanding the ColRegs that I've encountered in 36 years of doing this."
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Put the time in, like the rest of us, or go forth, etc.
You're certainly brighter than you look!
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Twister_Ken
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>If the engine is going he could avoid me if I stood on as I was entitled to, engaged in fishing: and 'how would they know' what? <
The engine may be going, but the prop may not be turning. Maybe he was just heating the bath water for evening ablutions.
The engine may be going, but the prop may not be turning. Maybe he was just heating the bath water for evening ablutions.
Sixpence
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Erk. I'm not bringing my boat into Trevera's cruising grounds.
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er , where did you learn then , all I can do at this time of year is try to pick peoples brains for help , boat should arrive soon and I'm just trying to learn a few practical things before she goes in the water , nothing more
Erk. I'm not bringing my boat into Trevera's cruising grounds.
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er , where did you learn then , all I can do at this time of year is try to pick peoples brains for help , boat should arrive soon and I'm just trying to learn a few practical things before she goes in the water , nothing more
caol
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OK , shot down ,,, but what would you do ?
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If you are, indeed, a learner, then I suggest you have a good look at the regulations, where you will find your questions answered.
Other things being equal, the vessel under power on the starboard tack is the "give way" vessel and the vessel sailing on the port tack is the "stand on" vessel. There may be exceptions, as indicated in the regulations.
Now imagine that both vessels believe they should give way and each alters course to go astern of the other. Very dangerous.
The cone signals to other vessels that you intend to follow the steering rules for vessels under power. In the situation you describe, that can be very important. You are right that both vessels have a responsibility to avoid collision, but that comes into play if one, or both, fail to take the actions required by the regulations.
OK , shot down ,,, but what would you do ?
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If you are, indeed, a learner, then I suggest you have a good look at the regulations, where you will find your questions answered.
Other things being equal, the vessel under power on the starboard tack is the "give way" vessel and the vessel sailing on the port tack is the "stand on" vessel. There may be exceptions, as indicated in the regulations.
Now imagine that both vessels believe they should give way and each alters course to go astern of the other. Very dangerous.
The cone signals to other vessels that you intend to follow the steering rules for vessels under power. In the situation you describe, that can be very important. You are right that both vessels have a responsibility to avoid collision, but that comes into play if one, or both, fail to take the actions required by the regulations.
fisherman
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>If the engine is going he could avoid me if I stood on as I was entitled to, engaged in fishing: and 'how would they know' what? <
The engine may be going, but the prop may not be turning. Maybe he was just heating the bath water for evening ablutions.
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RTFP: 'propwash'.
In any case I was the stand on vessel and only being very considerate, in the circumstances.
>If the engine is going he could avoid me if I stood on as I was entitled to, engaged in fishing: and 'how would they know' what? <
The engine may be going, but the prop may not be turning. Maybe he was just heating the bath water for evening ablutions.
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RTFP: 'propwash'.
In any case I was the stand on vessel and only being very considerate, in the circumstances.
Twister_Ken
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Frightfully sorry for not RTFP.
I've slapped my wrist, on your behalf.
I've slapped my wrist, on your behalf.
