Motor boats and sail boats

Last time I went to Dublin, q piss take by Bruce, The HSS coming at a great rate of knots from astern diverted into a huge arc so we didn't get the full effect of their wake, just saying:encouragement:
 
Come on now John. Dublin? Dublin didn't exist last you past the fairway buoy. Even so if HSS had it'd be because everything needs a big detour just to get round BigWoW
 
benjenbav said:
Leisure boats are one thing but I was recently watching these babies at work in Burrard Inlet in BC. To say the wash is steep-sided would be putting it mildly
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And that was my earlier point. If yotties say that the wash from passing motor boats is dangerous then the wash from commercial vessels is positively life threatening but you never hear them complaining about that. Not only that but commercial vessels dont give a shit if they pass within 10ft of a pleasure boat
 
benjenbav said:
Leisure boats are one thing but I was recently watching these babies at work in Burrard Inlet in BC. To say the wash is steep-sided would be putting it mildly:
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Tugs do have a bit of a wash.
But they do stay a bit further away than 0.5 of a cable.

Were you sailing in the harbour?
 
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And that was my earlier point. If yotties say that the wash from passing motor boats is dangerous then the wash from commercial vessels is positively life threatening but you never hear them complaining about that. Not only that but commercial vessels dont give a shit if they pass within 10ft of a pleasure boat
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If a commercial vessel ever gave me a valid reason to complain I wouldn't hesitate. They never do. Sure they have a wake but they "keep well clear".

Must be fun to pass a "Gin Palace" on the plane in one though. Think of all the whine they can have with their cheese.:)
 
Uricanejack said:
Tugs do have a bit of a wash.
But they do stay a bit further away than 0.5 of a cable.

Were you sailing in the harbour?
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I was onshore on that visit. But always seem to find something on the water to look at. It's a place I would very much like to sail.
 
This morning I was happily cruising up Southampton water at 22 knots and two rather large ribs passed me one each side at about 20m away then once in front both then started circling and making as much wash as possible, there was plenty of open space but no they had to do this right in front causing me to have to slow up and a yacht nearby was getting thrown about, they then followed me into Ocean Village where they opperate from, I felt like asking the skippers if they actually saw me as they passed and if this was part of the thrilling ride they advertised.
 
aquapower said:
This morning I was happily cruising up Southampton water at 22 knots and two rather large ribs passed me one each side at about 20m away then once in front both then started circling and making as much wash as possible, there was plenty of open space but no they had to do this right in front causing me to have to slow up and a yacht nearby was getting thrown about, they then followed me into Ocean Village where they opperate from, I felt like asking the skippers if they actually saw me as they passed and if this was part of the thrilling ride they advertised.
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I understand why you don't name the firm on here, but a call on Ch 12 to Soton VTS would soon see them amend their ways when they get a phone call from officialdom about there stupidity. It is even possible your call would draw the VTS duty manager's visual attention to see for themselves why you are complaining.
 
superheat6k said:
I understand why you don't name the firm on here, but a call on Ch 12 to Soton VTS would soon see them amend their ways when they get a phone call from officialdom about there stupidity. It is even possible your call would draw the VTS duty manager's visual attention to see for themselves why you are complaining.
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Worst example I can recall was entering Soton Water when a bunch of eejits in a 50-odd foot sports boat overtook me and circled round my semi-d tug. Woulda prolly rammed the b'stards if I could've caught em. But since my tub was pretty seaworthy it didn't really spoil my day. :cool:
 
Try going to the South of France. Superyachts have no consideration whatsoever. And there are so many. I have been through a F6 in the channel, but it is nothing compared with an August Saturday off St Tropez. In reguard to the Solent. MB tend to go A to B in a straight line. If you do not want their wake stay off the straight line between harbours.
 
superheat6k said:
I understand why you don't name the firm on here, but a call on Ch 12 to Soton VTS would soon see them amend their ways when they get a phone call from officialdom about there stupidity. It is even possible your call would draw the VTS duty manager's visual attention to see for themselves why you are complaining.
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That's good to know, I did make a suitable comment on their trip adviser page and it's also dangerous for the paying passengers when you have some clown showing off when he should be putting safety first.
 
The sailor and the wake thread. If I had a pound for every time it had been posted.....

Being based in the Solent I am used to sharing water with sailors. I pass astern and leave as much room as possible. But here's the problem, you as an individual yacht aren't my only problem, you are one of possibly half a dozen or more boats I'm taking into account. At 20 plus knots my forward vision stretches a long way. Thrown in a few races where you have to avoid big clumps of yachts and I and up making a series of compromises.

I have no problem going out of my way adding extra journey time but altering course brings another set of boats into my calculations. I know what you're thinking, slow down. To stop my wake I need to drop down to 7 knots. Going down to 10 or 14 knots actually makes things worse as I pull a massive wall of water behind me. Sometimes I slow down to allow a bigger gap between boats to open up but merely dropping to 12 knots as I go past will serve no purpose.

With the greatest of respect if you set out to sea you have to accept the conditions faced and that includes waves, be they man or Buddha made. I spend quite a bit of time at slow displacement speed when tide and weather permits and it is annoying when you get hit by wake - I haven't got a keel to steady me but them's the rules. Neither of us own the water.

Where should we stop? A blanket speed limit of 7 knots? A ban on racing or sailing in groups of more than 3 boats? A ban on the use of any appliance capable of making scalding hot tea when underway?

We all need to stay alert and be prepared for whatever conditions prevail.

What I do find interesting is that in all the times I've gone out of my way to avoid a sailing yacht not once has a British skipper acknowledge me or gestured thanks. Foreign skippers routinely give me a wave to say thank you.

Henry :)
 
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henryf said:
What I do find interesting is that in all the times I've gone out of my way to avoid a sailing yacht not once has a British skipper acknowledge me or gestured thanks. Foreign skippers routinely give me a wave to say thank you. Henry :)
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I have to say I have had friendly waves from British skippers to say thanks. It doesn't perhaps happen as often as it should but I do appreciate those that do make the effort. Generally it's the family boats that do and the wannabe racing crews that don't.

The OP cited something that happened near St Helier. I'm not familiar with that bit of water but it seems there was adequate space for the Mobo to give them a bit of space and the skipper chose not to. At the same time, Mobos don't appear out of thin air and the duty of any skipper is to keep a good watch out so he should have seem the Mobo coming and the crew on deck should have been better prepared.

Regarding the Solent, it's such a compact and busy bit of water that, to be honest, Mobos creating wash and yachts tacking when they shouldn't are things we just have to put up with. The most any skipper can do is be mindful of others and try to do to others as you would wish them to do to you in the same circumstances.

As for the mindless skippers of any boat who don't give a toss about anyone else, we just have to hope they decide to sell up and buy a caravan :)
 
henryf said:
The sailor and the wake thread. If I had a pound for every time it had been posted.....

Being based in the Solent I am used to sharing water with sailors. I pass astern and leave as much room as possible. But here's the problem, you as an individual yacht aren't my only problem, you are one of possibly half a dozen or more boats I'm taking into account. At 20 plus knots my forward vision stretches a long way. Thrown in a few races where you have to avoid big clumps of yachts and I and up making a series of compromises.

I have no problem going out of my way adding extra journey time but altering course brings another set of boats into my calculations. I know what you're thinking, slow down. To stop my wake I need to drop down to 7 knots. Going down to 10 or 14 knots actually makes things worse as I pull a massive wall of water behind me. Sometimes I slow down to allow a bigger gap between boats to open up but merely dropping to 12 knots as I go past will serve no purpose.

With the greatest of respect if you set out to sea you have to accept the conditions faced and that includes waves, be they man or Buddha made. I spend quite a bit of time at slow displacement speed when tide and weather permits and it is annoying when you get hit by wake - I haven't got a keel to steady me but them's the rules. Neither of us own the water.

Where should we stop? A blanket speed limit of 7 knots? A ban on racing or sailing in groups of more than 3 boats? A ban on the use of any appliance capable of making scalding hot tea when underway?

We all need to stay alert and be prepared for whatever conditions prevail.

What I do find interesting is that in all the times I've gone out of my way to avoid a sailing yacht not once has a British skipper acknowledge me or gestured thanks. Foreign skippers routinely give me a wave to say thank you.

Henry :)
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very well said.
 
aquapower said:
That's good to know, I did make a suitable comment on their trip adviser page and it's also dangerous for the paying passengers when you have some clown showing off when he should be putting safety first.
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The comment made was reported and removed as they said it was inappropriate, so if you out on Southampton water please look out for Seadogz charters as they really don't care about safety, they replied to my comment saying that they would never do such a thing and that their skippers are all professional and RNLI crew, what I experienced was far from professional.
 
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