More daft cruising-dinghy dreams...

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The Portsmouth yardstick rating for the Olympic heavyweight singlehander, the Finn, estimates that it's no quicker than the not-particularly-rip-roaring Albacore two-hander.

As a Finn-fan, I tend to infer that the Albacore is no slug even as standard, and in particular, may be an interesting choice for serious modification.

I've bored readers before, with the restrictions of my garage-space. Bigger, more thrilling boats are overlong; but a 15' Albacore would fit inside, just fine.

The limits on the standard boat's usability seem to stem from the class rules, which I can cheerily ignore; I like to go fast, but competition seems to me to destroy a pleasant day's sail in the same way golf has been said to affect a good walk.

The Canadians routinely fit their Albacores with a trapeze. This surely allows her to hold up for longer in upwind situations. Seajet recently mentioned (and I certainly believe) that the Alb wouldn't suit the singlehander's needs...presumably because the 90 square foot mainsail is more than one man, hiking, can keep upright. But if one may push one's righting-force three or four feet out to windward...

And, the racing Albacore has no spinnaker! Is there any obvious disadvantage (not obvious to me) in fitting a sprit and asymmetric cruising chute to this little boat? Not in order to break sailing speed records, but to get the most out of a comfortable, practical design that seems to have had its performance-evolution deliberately halted, decades ago.

I often get replies recommending that I consider the Contender. For a long time that was my conclusion too, but the design is too performance-minded. There's no stowage, no room for friends or rowlocks or a boom-tent or even a dry towel; it's not a performance cruiser, it's a drip-dry racer. So alas, it's not what I want.

The Albacore, though, with a few modifications, and decked in gleaming varnished ply... What would the Portsmouth Yardstick people make, of a singlehanded Albacore, with the helmsman on the wire and a hundred square feet of spinnaker, haring along beside Fireballs and Laser 2s? Any estimates on the rating it would get? :) :D
 
Our club had a talk from a young couple who sailed to the Baltic in an Albacore a few years ago.

They camped in it with a tent over the boom, added a pair of racing sculls for propulsion and, after taking it to Belgium on the ferry sailed and rowed it through Holland and up to the Baltic.

As for racing it with modifications - it's a one-design class so if you are outside the rules you don't have a handicap.
 
Dancrane,

I don't remember saying anything against the Albacore, though I'd think the relative lack of form stability may be an issue; the lack of spinnaker may be a good thing, no chute to scoop up waves...

There is / was a good looking varnished example being disposed of at my club, don't know if it's happened yet; PM me if interested.
 
Thanks Snowleopard - I was only wondering just how dramatically the boat's usable performance would improve, given trapeze and chute? I find it's fun to see rules broken or bent with impressive results.

I've accumulated dozens of articles, possibly all that there are in the public domain, about singlehanding the 505. Some amusing reading, but what's significant is how much faster many racing designs become downwind (and upwind in F2!) when the helmsman is alone.

I lately read an article about a test to see if the Tasar benefited from an asymmetric spinnaker...the conclusion was, not enough to justify a re-design.

Hello Seajet, I hope I didn't misquote your doubts about the Albacore...it was June 11th, in the 'Moulds for sale' thread....

"I know of a good wooden Albacore going for buttons but I still wouldn't recommend it for your purposes."

You suggested the Albacore's "lack of form stability". Various articles (by Alb owners) never mention this...is it a serious problem with the design? I was under the impression, from brief experience, that the hull was rather a novice's ideal. Not that I'm a novice - but offshore, in a tiny unballasted boat, is rotten timing to start learning a class's wayward tendencies.

If I'm not discouraged by replies here, I may yet PM you about the Albacore you mentioned, for sale...it rather depends how many 'buttons' they want for her. I could guarantee the old boat a glorious future! :)
 
Dan,

I was thinking of the Albacore's round bilge; but 2-up she seems a stable boat.

When playing on similar lines to your suggestions with my Scorpion, we fitted a trapeze for larking about as we were young & my crew was only about 8-9 stone at a guess ( self 10.5 in those days ! ).

We found with the wire she would plane to windward quite readily in about F3-4, flat water, and was also controllable in serious winter surf over the Winner, achieving quite some speeds surfing.

The Albacore in question is fully set up for racing and looks VGC, it seems to be one of several boats ( others inc Merlin Rocket & Fireball ) whose owners have gone to helm a cloud, or simply abandoned them, mad as it seems.
 
As Seajet says - the hull is round - there is little form stability - especially ddw !!

As for trapezing - yes, you could, but I would wonder how easy it would be to get in and out - most trapeze boats have nice flat sides to slip in and out of - and many are shallow cockpit - which makes getting in and out quite easy.
The Jollyboat does have trapeze (well - the ones I've seen do) and that is a similar style/design to the Albacore.

If you're really on about getting your weight out - have you considered a sliding seat? Doesn't have to be as extreme as the Int Canoe ... there is the Toy which was a singlehanded dinghy - and quite quick with it too ...

Anyway - back to the Alb - she's a good sea boat - but you may wish to evaluate the water dispersal facilities as she'll wallow when swamped. For a kite - use a self-launching spinnaker pole and have the kite in a bag behind the foredeck - kit from a Wayfarer or Fireball should do it.
Assymetric wise - you'd have to mount the pole on the foredeck - unless you compromise the integrity of the bow (depends if it's wooden or glass) - and you could still launch from a bag - RS400 kite may be a bit big - but I'd think an RS200 would be a bit small ... not sure ...
 
Seajet...in the apparent absence of owners, do abandoned boats there become 'wards' of the sailing club/dinghy park where they've been left? Perhaps there's a number I could call to investigate its status?

I can offer a dry garage for the winter and several brain-loads of bright restoration ideas. Cash is in decidedly short supply, but effort and care and patience would be overflowing. A trailer would be rather vital. I had an excellent dinghy that sat for years in my mate's garden in London, because the trailer wasn't roadworthy. Very frustrating...
 
Thanks, Fireball, for your informed words, there.

Interestingly, I read one of the Canadian Albacore enthusiasts' words, suggesting the RS200 asymmetric would be suitable. It sounded a tad small to me, especially if I'll quite often have a crew.

The sliding seat did occur to me...although, being me, the idea had evolved into a 'clever' system of jerrycans, carrying perhaps 40KG of liquid ballast on a rail that made them movable to port or starboard, the equivalent of a slender lady-crewmember. Not so much fun perhaps, but again, an interesting idea (to me!).

Granted, lots of my ideas are only ideas, and many might disintegrate within moments of testing. I'm stubborn though - stubborn and daft - so I need to try it before I'm convinced it won't work!

P.S...what is ddw? New one, to me!
 
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what is ddw? New one, to me!

Dead downwind, I assume.

Seajet...in the apparent absence of owners, do abandoned boats there become 'wards' of the sailing club/dinghy park where they've been left?

Not automatically, but many yards include a provision in the rules whereby they take possession if fees stop being paid and they can't trace the owner at the last known address. The exact arrangements (waiting time for an owner to come forwards, notices left on the boat or published on some board etc) will vary.

Can't hurt to phone the club / yard and ask politely.

Pete
 
I've sailed both the Albacore and the Merlin Rocket,and once trapezed a Jollyboat but all crewed dinghies. The Albacore was good upwind and reaching but a roller downwind where a spinnaker would have helped, goosewinging doesn't appeal to me.

My Merlin Rockets were a Proctor MkIX and also a MkIXb that were good on all points of sail and at the time had the same PY as the Finn(PY91) since revised to about PY1023 I believe.
I always wanted to fit a trapeze to the latter merlin which had flatter sections aft and slightly less rocker. I sailed her singlehanded and she was a handful without the righting assistance of a crew or a trapeze. As a 'fun dinghy' you couldn't fault her and I did a lot of tuition in both models as she was forgiving -to a point!

My excursion in the Jollyboat was an extremely fast sail, and only about the second time I'd trapezed, a very good ride but a 505 sailed faster and it seemed faster,as did the Fireball which I have seen singlehanded under spinnaker by a top sailor from Weston club.

Any of these dinghies will give thrilling rides and I think I'd try to find a crew, to get the best out of them all.
As you may know the Merlins for a while kept increasing the beam to a maximum of 7'3" and this design was known as a 'Kingsize',it never caught on and seemed underpowered for a Merlin, but with a Int .14 rig I'd fancy her chances for a thrilling sail.

Nowadays the singlehander thrillers on the circuit are the International Moths which sail on foils, and the whole boat weighs less than 100lbs, not easy to handle ashore with the foils but a very very fast singlehander - Gybing them is ....interesting!!! Pay a visit to Stokes Bay Sailing club where there is some regular sailing of Moth designs -with the foils fitted


ianat182
 
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While it's fun to singlehand a racing dighy in the right conditions, cruising is a different kettle of fish. You need a lot of gear - much of which needs to be kept dry. Sleeping bags, food, cookers, clothing, camera, phone, etc etc - think about how you will keep them in the boat & dry if you capsize. Will they affect the ease with which you can right the boat - especially at the end of a long day when you are cold & tired (as well as wet) as this is when errors start to happen.

You should also have an anchor, warp, some flares, oars (or engine & fuel) compass, charts, GPS & VHF, boom cover or tent for camping, water & fuel, Li-Lo or foam pad, bucket (bailing & loo) etc etc. This starts to add a lot of weight & it all needs to be well fastened in. Speed is not the issue when dinghy cruising, survival is.

Read "The Amazing Voyage of Jack de Crow", the author sailed a Mirror Dinghy from Shrewsbury to the Black Sea camping on board. Not too many details about how he managed in the boat, but it does give a good idea of what can be achieved without necessarily following the heroics of Frank & Margaret Dye.
 
Read "The Amazing Voyage of Jack de Crow", the author sailed a Mirror Dinghy from Shrewsbury to the Black Sea camping on board. Not too many details about how he managed in the boat

I believe for pretty much all the UK part, he slept ashore in pubs and with friends (and strangers!). He did add a boom tent and a board to sleep on (together with the centreboard) for the European part, but he never mentioned having a cooker or carrying much food or any camping kit beyond the boom tent and a sleeping bag. Mostly a case of heading into the nearest village for dinner it seems.

Pete
 
Sea Rush AKA the voice of reason.
Dan should look at the Dinghy Cruising Ass. Their choices are not fast class boats, too much chance of a swim. I have met a few of them, not devotees of speed...but very practical about enjoying a dry cruise.
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Forgot, Frank Dye turned up in the Chesapeak at my uncle's dock. Accepted a meal, but insisted on sleeping on his boat. Good company.
 
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DownWest,

in racing dinghy circles, if you're not actually racing and in the approved class format, you are 'cruising'.

Nothing to do with tents & cookers; though I & a chum did once cook under way in a Fireball, seems one can do that sort of thing when young.

I don't think Dan has mentioned coast-hopping, more a case of experimenting to have a lark in fast boats; 'experimental' would probably be a better term, but 'cruising' is what it's known as, in fact at some clubs one has to sign out, 'are you in the race, or cruising ?' for rescue boat & race officer info'...
 
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Dan,

get well soon, I am not alone in living vicariously through your not-so-daft ideas !

I for one can't wait to hear the next; you know Uffa Fox designed a 'Flying Lifeboat' to be air-dropped then sailed by the survivors...well if we could get hold of Lady Campanula to drive a Sunderland, and two Ospreys...;)

Those hydrofoil Moths Ianat182 describes are in Chichester Harbour too, they - like Int Canoes - exhibit a strong doppler effect as the wailing helmsperson approaches then hopefully goes past with their hair on fire.
 
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I've bored readers before, with the restrictions of my garage-space. Bigger, more thrilling boats are overlong; but a 15' Albacore would fit inside, just fine.

This looks like it might be quite exciting and would fit in your garage with room to spare.

http://www.ovingtonboats.com/page.I14

Single handed :eek::eek::eek:
You did ask for daft ideas......
 
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Michael,

I've never met you and you may look like a film star, but I used to crew one of those; above force 2-3 you've got more chance of pulling Elle McPherson on a date than singlehanding the thing, not least because it's an non-ergonomic, user-unfriendly, sow-handling bitch !

I was not a fan...:)
 
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