Brayman
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Re: Tush, Tush!
But the TVR is full of kind gentlefolk......... and the YBW Forum burgee will be there.
But the TVR is full of kind gentlefolk......... and the YBW Forum burgee will be there.
Mobo's cause mayhem on tidal Thames today
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ianc1200
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"and still I was screamed at by a coaching boat,sans coachees, which over-took me near Putney. Can't win can you."
I was crewing a Weymouth 42 round from Ramsgate one Saturday, got to Chelsea Marina pontoon, stayed overnight them came up to Richmond when the tide vwas very low. Through Putney on a Sunday morning the rowers were out in force, such that two of us were on the front. A pair came diagonally across our bows. We went into reverse and warned the rowers, and both the male and the female let off a torrent of foul abuse, against us who were going in reverse to avoid them. We got up to Richmond Lock and had to wait for the lock to open. Suddenly an egg landed on the boat, followed by several more. The same rowers were on the bank, having driven round to catch us there.
It's noticable that rowers seem to think it's alright for them to speed & have fun. I've seen the coaching boat of Wallingford rowing club used for jollies at high speed when there's no coaching going on.
I slow down for rowers in my own boat, or go out of gear etc, but never have had a cheery wave or thanks, and tobe honest have virtually no sympathy at all for the rowing community who cause most of the problems by their bad manners.
IanC
"and still I was screamed at by a coaching boat,sans coachees, which over-took me near Putney. Can't win can you."
I was crewing a Weymouth 42 round from Ramsgate one Saturday, got to Chelsea Marina pontoon, stayed overnight them came up to Richmond when the tide vwas very low. Through Putney on a Sunday morning the rowers were out in force, such that two of us were on the front. A pair came diagonally across our bows. We went into reverse and warned the rowers, and both the male and the female let off a torrent of foul abuse, against us who were going in reverse to avoid them. We got up to Richmond Lock and had to wait for the lock to open. Suddenly an egg landed on the boat, followed by several more. The same rowers were on the bank, having driven round to catch us there.
It's noticable that rowers seem to think it's alright for them to speed & have fun. I've seen the coaching boat of Wallingford rowing club used for jollies at high speed when there's no coaching going on.
I slow down for rowers in my own boat, or go out of gear etc, but never have had a cheery wave or thanks, and tobe honest have virtually no sympathy at all for the rowing community who cause most of the problems by their bad manners.
IanC
Richard Shead
Slipped Anchor
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yep it needs to leave my hall soon before I am told to leave my hall.......
yep it needs to leave my hall soon before I am told to leave my hall.......
No Regrets
Well-Known Member
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Then show them what a real wake looks like then... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Then show them what a real wake looks like then... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Steve Clayton
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Richard, what about pinning this thread?
Richard, what about pinning this thread?
Richard Shead
Slipped Anchor
Re: Tush, Tush!
Not my call I am afraid but i will speak to Dan in the morning.
Thanks
Not my call I am afraid but i will speak to Dan in the morning.
Thanks
FAITIRA
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Re: Mobo\'s cause mayhem on tidal Thames today
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everyone should have stopped and waited for the next tide so the chaps can practice wowing for a wowing wace /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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No, surely the offenders should display seamanship and appropriate consideration for other vessels, moored or underway.
I'm sure you would yourself, wouldn,t you?
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everyone should have stopped and waited for the next tide so the chaps can practice wowing for a wowing wace /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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No, surely the offenders should display seamanship and appropriate consideration for other vessels, moored or underway.
I'm sure you would yourself, wouldn,t you?
china
New Member
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please dont get those rowers mixed up with us canoists and kayakers, we are aa friendly lot.
those rowers are unfriendly to us too. what a bunch of s***bags. never mind it could be worse, you could be them. imagine having to live their lives or be in their head with all that snobbery and money earning pressure.
we go out on the water to relax and a lot of them go out on the water to be competative and to be realy stressfull.
we just stick to the collision regs and try to keep out of their way.
if it happens again, you can always get on the vhf and tell the harbour master or marine support and report them. they definatly deserve it.
i would want to rip their heads off.
have a nice week.
alex.
please dont get those rowers mixed up with us canoists and kayakers, we are aa friendly lot.
those rowers are unfriendly to us too. what a bunch of s***bags. never mind it could be worse, you could be them. imagine having to live their lives or be in their head with all that snobbery and money earning pressure.
we go out on the water to relax and a lot of them go out on the water to be competative and to be realy stressfull.
we just stick to the collision regs and try to keep out of their way.
if it happens again, you can always get on the vhf and tell the harbour master or marine support and report them. they definatly deserve it.
i would want to rip their heads off.
have a nice week.
alex.
Gavi
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It all makes me sad really. My first introduction to The Thames was as a member of a rowing club when living in Putney. I wish I'd kept it up - I'd be a bit slimmer than now /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
It all makes me sad really. My first introduction to The Thames was as a member of a rowing club when living in Putney. I wish I'd kept it up - I'd be a bit slimmer than now /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
No Regrets
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China, I have found Kayak and Canoe bods extraordinarily friendly, and a great laugh too.
Many of them give me the thumbs up if I give them a short burst of throttle to create a little entertainment in the form of skiff-sinking wake (Easy to spot...usually playing in the last boats wake!) and love to chat in locks, or raft up to my bathing platform which has a whacking great handle on one side!
Respect to you guys /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
China, I have found Kayak and Canoe bods extraordinarily friendly, and a great laugh too.
Many of them give me the thumbs up if I give them a short burst of throttle to create a little entertainment in the form of skiff-sinking wake (Easy to spot...usually playing in the last boats wake!) and love to chat in locks, or raft up to my bathing platform which has a whacking great handle on one side!
Respect to you guys /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
FAITIRA
Well-Known Member
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please dont get those rowers mixed up with us canoists and kayakers, we are aa friendly lot.
those rowers are unfriendly to us too. what a bunch of s***bags. never mind it could be worse, you could be them. imagine having to live their lives or be in their head with all that snobbery and money earning pressure.
we go out on the water to relax and a lot of them go out on the water to be competative and to be realy stressfull.
we just stick to the collision regs and try to keep out of their way.
if it happens again, you can always get on the vhf and tell the harbour master or marine support and report them. they definatly deserve it.
i would want to rip their heads off.
have a nice week.
alex.
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I,ve met a lot of great 'more friendly' canoists who would be very saddened by your narrowmindedness Alexandra!
Why do you think they are all rich snobs?, and unless you are more of a machoman than you seem, I think you would find quite a few heads difficult to 'rip off' without encountering more than a little resistance. Bill.
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please dont get those rowers mixed up with us canoists and kayakers, we are aa friendly lot.
those rowers are unfriendly to us too. what a bunch of s***bags. never mind it could be worse, you could be them. imagine having to live their lives or be in their head with all that snobbery and money earning pressure.
we go out on the water to relax and a lot of them go out on the water to be competative and to be realy stressfull.
we just stick to the collision regs and try to keep out of their way.
if it happens again, you can always get on the vhf and tell the harbour master or marine support and report them. they definatly deserve it.
i would want to rip their heads off.
have a nice week.
alex.
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I,ve met a lot of great 'more friendly' canoists who would be very saddened by your narrowmindedness Alexandra!
Why do you think they are all rich snobs?, and unless you are more of a machoman than you seem, I think you would find quite a few heads difficult to 'rip off' without encountering more than a little resistance. Bill.
Captain Coochie
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Re: Mobo\'s cause mayhem on tidal Thames today
I very rarely cause a wash , i'm never in a rush to get anywhere and as Cuchilo is a river cruiser she doesnt give alot off anyway . I think the problem is that some of the bigger boats give off alot of wash even on tick over and on tick over they have no or very little control . So if you are in a group and the ten boats in front of you have had to give some power to move away from the rowers you at the back are left with having to give more power to now get out of the rowers way and battle the wash the others have left just to have some kind of control over the boat . Myself i just plod along and let everyone else get on with it but still get shouted at by rowers .
I very rarely cause a wash , i'm never in a rush to get anywhere and as Cuchilo is a river cruiser she doesnt give alot off anyway . I think the problem is that some of the bigger boats give off alot of wash even on tick over and on tick over they have no or very little control . So if you are in a group and the ten boats in front of you have had to give some power to move away from the rowers you at the back are left with having to give more power to now get out of the rowers way and battle the wash the others have left just to have some kind of control over the boat . Myself i just plod along and let everyone else get on with it but still get shouted at by rowers .
byron
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Beaten by Harleyford - heavens
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That is exactly what upset them and cause them to act like football yobbos. The fact that a 'fun' club that doesn't take itself seriously had beaten them in a boat handling competition.
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Beaten by Harleyford - heavens
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That is exactly what upset them and cause them to act like football yobbos. The fact that a 'fun' club that doesn't take itself seriously had beaten them in a boat handling competition.
oldgit
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Re: Mobo\'s cause mayhem on tidal Thames today
Wonder if it was the the same bunch of gentlemen who caused all the problems when we were berthed in Chelsea Haven last Easter.
They left St kats and then came up past Chelsea pier at a fair rate of knots causing serious wash.From (hazy)recollection several very large 40ft plus luxobarges including mebbe a big newish Broom ?.
Wonder if it was the the same bunch of gentlemen who caused all the problems when we were berthed in Chelsea Haven last Easter.
They left St kats and then came up past Chelsea pier at a fair rate of knots causing serious wash.From (hazy)recollection several very large 40ft plus luxobarges including mebbe a big newish Broom ?.
Andrew_Fanner
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What about a burgee - heads of EA and Boat Scheme managers on a trident (vacant prong for GBrown?).
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ROFLMAO. Nearly tipped coffee into my lap!
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What about a burgee - heads of EA and Boat Scheme managers on a trident (vacant prong for GBrown?).
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ROFLMAO. Nearly tipped coffee into my lap!
GrantK
Member
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A few of us were down on our boats in Putney today doing a spot of maintenance, when a flotilla of club boats passed by at 2pm-ish. The first few boats created a small, manageable wash. However, the final three boats were speeding along and created a MASSIVE wash which sent bodies, tools and mugs flying.
But the poor bas tards in the coxed eight were practically swamped and got thoroughly soaked (the Oxford crews have been out practising all weekend). The rowers waved and shouted at the boats to slow down, but to no avail. They also did not respond to our hails on the radio, so we advised Teddington Lock of their poor conduct.
All the boats were flying a defaced Blue Ensign, and the last offending boat had a blue/black hull.
Please, please watch your wash. As it says in the PLA guide for Thames River users " <span style="color:blue"> "Be aware of what your wash is doing, both to other users and the banks and foreshore. If necessary, reduce your speed." </span> ." Otherwise, it ruins the enjoyment for the rest of us and gives all Mobos a bad name.
OK - moan over. Just had to get that off my chest (after washing off the tea spilt down my shirt earlier /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif).
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I don't normally get too worked up about this type of post. In fact I agree that all boat owners should show respect to other users and if this means slowing right down so be it. But the original post which I've quoted has stirred up a number of inaccurate and damaging responses.
Let me give some facts. The club mentioned by a number of posters i.e. TMYC had been to St Kats last weekend. They came back up river in three flotillas. One on Saturday, of which I was part. There were three boats in total, two of which are 30ft displacement craft and one larger vessel. The second and third flotillas came back on Sunday The first of these arrived at Hammersmith Bridge at 1330, therefore they could not have been the offending craft. The second flotilla consisted of two TMYC boats and a number of none TMYC boats. None of the TMYC boats has a dark blue or black hull. The two TMYC boats did not cause any adverse wash as they passed through Putney. However they were followed by three other craft, note that they were not TMYC, one of these boats was a very large craft with a high fly bridge, perhaps he was trying to get to Hammersmith before he lost the headroom. But that is not the responsibility of the TMYC. Byron keeps referring to an incident which occurred at the ATYC rally some years ago. What a memory he must have. I too was at that Rally as a member of another club, but that was about seventeen years ago and three boats ago. Does he think that it was the same boaters on Sunday as those who attended the ATYC rally all that time ago?
It should be remembered that the laws of defamation and libel apply equally to the internet. Before slinging mud one should ensure that ones allegations are accurate, with the facts not in dispute. I quote a piece I Googled before writing this post.
1. What are defamation and libel?
Defamation is any published material that damages the reputation of an individual or an organisation. This covers material on the internet as well as radio and television broadcasts - so even drama and fiction can be defamatory if they damage someone’s reputation. You can only publish defamatory material if it comes within one of the recognised legal defences. If it doesn’t, the publication will amount to libel and you may have to pay substantial damages.
Libel online
Slander is 'defamation by word of mouth'
Internet sites are not exempt from any libel laws. If you are publishing on the internet you are bound by the same libel laws as print publishers.
In a significant ruling in 2002, the Australian high court ruled that mining magnate Joseph Gutnick could sue publisher Dow Jones under Australian law for alleged libel online. The judge deemed that the web was no different from newspapers or television.
In the UK, internet service providers are coming under increasing pressure to close sites containing defamatory allegations. You also have to be careful about the comments others post on your site. There have been cases where individuals have sued online publishers for libel over customer book reviews published on their sites.
BTW, the hull of my boat is dark blue, but I returned on Saturday not Sunday.
Oh! and while I'm thinking of it. There is a photo of a very pretty red ensign and a jackstaff with a rooster on top published on Thames Thread. Is that a large wash I spy behind the ensign? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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A few of us were down on our boats in Putney today doing a spot of maintenance, when a flotilla of club boats passed by at 2pm-ish. The first few boats created a small, manageable wash. However, the final three boats were speeding along and created a MASSIVE wash which sent bodies, tools and mugs flying.
But the poor bas tards in the coxed eight were practically swamped and got thoroughly soaked (the Oxford crews have been out practising all weekend). The rowers waved and shouted at the boats to slow down, but to no avail. They also did not respond to our hails on the radio, so we advised Teddington Lock of their poor conduct.
All the boats were flying a defaced Blue Ensign, and the last offending boat had a blue/black hull.
Please, please watch your wash. As it says in the PLA guide for Thames River users " <span style="color:blue"> "Be aware of what your wash is doing, both to other users and the banks and foreshore. If necessary, reduce your speed." </span> ." Otherwise, it ruins the enjoyment for the rest of us and gives all Mobos a bad name.
OK - moan over. Just had to get that off my chest (after washing off the tea spilt down my shirt earlier /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif).
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I don't normally get too worked up about this type of post. In fact I agree that all boat owners should show respect to other users and if this means slowing right down so be it. But the original post which I've quoted has stirred up a number of inaccurate and damaging responses.
Let me give some facts. The club mentioned by a number of posters i.e. TMYC had been to St Kats last weekend. They came back up river in three flotillas. One on Saturday, of which I was part. There were three boats in total, two of which are 30ft displacement craft and one larger vessel. The second and third flotillas came back on Sunday The first of these arrived at Hammersmith Bridge at 1330, therefore they could not have been the offending craft. The second flotilla consisted of two TMYC boats and a number of none TMYC boats. None of the TMYC boats has a dark blue or black hull. The two TMYC boats did not cause any adverse wash as they passed through Putney. However they were followed by three other craft, note that they were not TMYC, one of these boats was a very large craft with a high fly bridge, perhaps he was trying to get to Hammersmith before he lost the headroom. But that is not the responsibility of the TMYC. Byron keeps referring to an incident which occurred at the ATYC rally some years ago. What a memory he must have. I too was at that Rally as a member of another club, but that was about seventeen years ago and three boats ago. Does he think that it was the same boaters on Sunday as those who attended the ATYC rally all that time ago?
It should be remembered that the laws of defamation and libel apply equally to the internet. Before slinging mud one should ensure that ones allegations are accurate, with the facts not in dispute. I quote a piece I Googled before writing this post.
1. What are defamation and libel?
Defamation is any published material that damages the reputation of an individual or an organisation. This covers material on the internet as well as radio and television broadcasts - so even drama and fiction can be defamatory if they damage someone’s reputation. You can only publish defamatory material if it comes within one of the recognised legal defences. If it doesn’t, the publication will amount to libel and you may have to pay substantial damages.
Libel online
Slander is 'defamation by word of mouth'
Internet sites are not exempt from any libel laws. If you are publishing on the internet you are bound by the same libel laws as print publishers.
In a significant ruling in 2002, the Australian high court ruled that mining magnate Joseph Gutnick could sue publisher Dow Jones under Australian law for alleged libel online. The judge deemed that the web was no different from newspapers or television.
In the UK, internet service providers are coming under increasing pressure to close sites containing defamatory allegations. You also have to be careful about the comments others post on your site. There have been cases where individuals have sued online publishers for libel over customer book reviews published on their sites.
BTW, the hull of my boat is dark blue, but I returned on Saturday not Sunday.
Oh! and while I'm thinking of it. There is a photo of a very pretty red ensign and a jackstaff with a rooster on top published on Thames Thread. Is that a large wash I spy behind the ensign? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
GrantK
Member
Re: Mobo\'s cause mayhem on tidal Thames today
Sorry! Got my facts wrong. I forgot that it was a bankholiday weekend . The days referred to should have been Sunday and Monday respectively. My most humble apologies
Sorry! Got my facts wrong. I forgot that it was a bankholiday weekend . The days referred to should have been Sunday and Monday respectively. My most humble apologies
Chris_d
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Oh! and while I'm thinking of it. There is a photo of a very pretty red ensign and a jackstaff with a rooster on top published on Thames Thread. Is that a large wash I spy behind the ensign? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Do you mean my avatar? if you look carefully the White Cliffs of Dover are in the distance., thats a bit past Putney.
Not sure the tone of your post has done the TMYC any favours, but interesting to here another view.
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Oh! and while I'm thinking of it. There is a photo of a very pretty red ensign and a jackstaff with a rooster on top published on Thames Thread. Is that a large wash I spy behind the ensign? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Do you mean my avatar? if you look carefully the White Cliffs of Dover are in the distance., thats a bit past Putney.
Not sure the tone of your post has done the TMYC any favours, but interesting to here another view.
GrantK
Member
Re: Mobo\'s cause mayhem on tidal Thames today
Hi Chris_D,
No I was not referring to your avatar. The wash I was referring to is the much more moderate one in the photo of the lost jackstaff and ensign with Windsor castle in the background. I felt that the tone of a couple of the previous posts was doing far more damage to the TMYC, as it turns out completely unjustified. One or two of them were in fact very inflammatory.
I think a strong reply to ill considered comments was justified.
Hi Chris_D,
No I was not referring to your avatar. The wash I was referring to is the much more moderate one in the photo of the lost jackstaff and ensign with Windsor castle in the background. I felt that the tone of a couple of the previous posts was doing far more damage to the TMYC, as it turns out completely unjustified. One or two of them were in fact very inflammatory.
I think a strong reply to ill considered comments was justified.
Brayman
Well-Known Member
Re: Mobo\'s cause mayhem on tidal Thames today
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Sorry! Got my facts wrong. I forgot that it was a bankholiday weekend . The days referred to should have been Sunday and Monday respectively. My most humble apologies
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So it was you then?
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Sorry! Got my facts wrong. I forgot that it was a bankholiday weekend . The days referred to should have been Sunday and Monday respectively. My most humble apologies
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So it was you then?