Talulah
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A fair number of people on this race where using it as a Fastnet qualifier. I wonder how many have been put off the Fastnet race as a consequence.
MOB on X channel race
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Doug_Stormforce
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Re: Nanny state.
Re the Le Harve race, most skippers I discussed it with followed good seamanship and threw race tactics out the window for the first hour and a half of the race as fog tactics were employed, certainly we hugged the shallow bits, not getting as much tidal benefit. I was glued to the radar, not conentrating on boat speed and when the fog lifted just before the forts it was noticable how many boast had gone shallow.
Not the best racing conditions but surely that is part and parcel of our sport.
Stella girl- sorry to here about your boat
Re the Le Harve race, most skippers I discussed it with followed good seamanship and threw race tactics out the window for the first hour and a half of the race as fog tactics were employed, certainly we hugged the shallow bits, not getting as much tidal benefit. I was glued to the radar, not conentrating on boat speed and when the fog lifted just before the forts it was noticable how many boast had gone shallow.
Not the best racing conditions but surely that is part and parcel of our sport.
Stella girl- sorry to here about your boat
fireball
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Race Officers and Risk Assessments
These days, with everyone threatening to sue everyone else if they even sneeze at the wrong time it is very difficult to make the call on which course and whether or not to abandon the racing.
At our club we are lucky, as the race officers are usually from the racing fleet and so know if they would race or not - coupled with the input from those who intend (or not) to race a suitable decision is made ...
The problem then occurs when your fleet is too large or too wide spread to be able to get this sort of co-operation.
At all times, it is the responsibility of the helm/crew/skipper = poor person in charge to decide if it is reasonable to start or continue to race ...
IMO - the only "blame" that can be attributed to the RO is if it is a bad course or not. I don't see how a RO can be responsible for loss of boat/life as the actions of individuals and their boats are outside his/her direct control.
If anyone put that responsibility on me as a RO then they would find the racing confined to the bar!
These days, with everyone threatening to sue everyone else if they even sneeze at the wrong time it is very difficult to make the call on which course and whether or not to abandon the racing.
At our club we are lucky, as the race officers are usually from the racing fleet and so know if they would race or not - coupled with the input from those who intend (or not) to race a suitable decision is made ...
The problem then occurs when your fleet is too large or too wide spread to be able to get this sort of co-operation.
At all times, it is the responsibility of the helm/crew/skipper = poor person in charge to decide if it is reasonable to start or continue to race ...
IMO - the only "blame" that can be attributed to the RO is if it is a bad course or not. I don't see how a RO can be responsible for loss of boat/life as the actions of individuals and their boats are outside his/her direct control.
If anyone put that responsibility on me as a RO then they would find the racing confined to the bar!
Twister_Ken
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Re: Race Officers and Risk Assessments
Not much more to add, except to say that I've retired from lots of races (on my own call, or someone else's) but we usually started because - unless the forecast is kings and aces on sturm und drang - you're never sure what conditions are really going to be like until you get out there.
Incidentally, no one takes the urine from a boat that retires because of conditions, unless they're too pig ignorant to know what they're talking about.
As for rigs falling over, that seems to be part and parcel of modern racing, because thick sticks and thick wire are frightfully unfashionable at the front of the fleet.
Not much more to add, except to say that I've retired from lots of races (on my own call, or someone else's) but we usually started because - unless the forecast is kings and aces on sturm und drang - you're never sure what conditions are really going to be like until you get out there.
Incidentally, no one takes the urine from a boat that retires because of conditions, unless they're too pig ignorant to know what they're talking about.
As for rigs falling over, that seems to be part and parcel of modern racing, because thick sticks and thick wire are frightfully unfashionable at the front of the fleet.
martinb
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That is probably a good thing! I know that two of our crew are now reconsidering their place on the Fastnet, better that than to go into it with no idea of what can be in store.
Martin
Martin
billmacfarlane
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Re: Race Officers and Risk Assessments
....... and of course reefing lines are even more unfashionable.
....... and of course reefing lines are even more unfashionable.
PTYC9999
New Member
I was the Skipper of Grandee The Swan 51 that had a Man Over Board, late on the evening of Friday the 13th, A full incident report has been submitted to RORC. If anyone would like to ask any questions please do not hesitate to contact me on my email adress info@pt-yachtcharters.com The crew man who fell over the side was retrived within 10 min. It was my first Man over the side and hopefully my last in 22 years I am an experianced comercial yachtmaster also an RYA Sea survival instructor, and VHF GMDSS instructor - My first mate is an Examineer and instructor also a Sea survival instructor, Radio instructor, First aid instructor, the chief cox. at JSASTC. I also had two other comercial skippers on board with with a lot of experiance. All of the other crew members were between Day skipper and Coastal skipper level, we had all been out training for two weekends proir to this week, All of the crew had completed there Sea survival and there First aid as a team togeather.
tome
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Was he wearing a harness, and clipped on? Be interested to hear the circumstances which led to the MOB. There but for the grace of God...
BlueSkyNick
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Would be interested to know how he actually got back on board, assuming the sea was rough, or at least moderate.
We read and learn so much about returning to the MOB position, coming alongside etc, but actually getting from sea to cockpit must be the hardest part to undertake, and is virtually impossible to practice.
We read and learn so much about returning to the MOB position, coming alongside etc, but actually getting from sea to cockpit must be the hardest part to undertake, and is virtually impossible to practice.
temptress
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Let's be clear about a few facts here.
It is up to the skipper to decide if he or she starts or contines to RACE.
It was an Offshore race and boats should be prepared for ANY conditions
The conditions were EXACTLY what was forecast and although unocomfortable were what was to be expected. Force 5 to 6 gusting 7 wind against tide.
The MOB was recovered swiftly.
It is up to the skipper to decide if he or she starts or contines to RACE.
It was an Offshore race and boats should be prepared for ANY conditions
The conditions were EXACTLY what was forecast and although unocomfortable were what was to be expected. Force 5 to 6 gusting 7 wind against tide.
The MOB was recovered swiftly.
PTYC9999
New Member
The Skipper of Grandee Swan 51 MOB. I rarley come onto the YBW site I was pointed in this direction by a crew member who saw that there was a discussion on the Forum in REF. to our Man over board. To give a full incident report on here at this time would be wrong until RORC have analisyed it which is happening at present. If anyone would like further direct imformation on how he was recovered or what the circumstances were into the MOB being in that position in the first place please email me on info@pt-yachtcharters.com
Kind regards
Phil
Kind regards
Phil
fireball
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Do come back and tell us about it when you can ... all adds to extra ideas and preperation incase it happens to us !!
Incidentally, browsing through a chandlery catalogue I came across a dye for MOBs ... comes in a little containor and if you go in the water you can deploy this dye - it is floresant and is supposed to make it easier to spot you from the air - any differential in sea colour would make it easier to spot even from a boat ... has anyone else come across this or used it?
Incidentally, browsing through a chandlery catalogue I came across a dye for MOBs ... comes in a little containor and if you go in the water you can deploy this dye - it is floresant and is supposed to make it easier to spot you from the air - any differential in sea colour would make it easier to spot even from a boat ... has anyone else come across this or used it?
tome
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Quite understand, will email.