Mike Perham

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So, canals or capes.....what difference does it make to the qualifying?

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The same thought occurred to me but on reflection I suppose being handled through the Panama locks might count as outside assistance.

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He's already been towed in and out of harbours......
 
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Personally, I am getting a little tired of all the celebrity wannabe sailors that seem to be crawling out of the woodwork these days, with all their ballyhoo, and corporate sponsorship, which is simply to make money off the back of someone elses endevours

I much prefer the kind of person that just goes off and does it, modestly and quietly, without a load of [word removed] and razzamataz. Still I suspect I am in the minority in my opinion, and these days it seems that if you have a trumpet you have to blow it.........

Very loudly.

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Well said Chrusty!

As a member of the landed gentry myself, (are you familiar with Toad Hall?) I also disapprove of the lower classes funding their sailing with sponsorship and public donations. Of course sailing should be restricted to those of us who are wealthy enough to fund our trips without outside assistance. I'm sure some smart alec might point out that at 16 he won't have had time to build up a fortune to fund his own sailing, but you and I know that's just one more reason why only those of us born with vast inherited wealth should be out sailing.

Chin, chin.
 
I was one of the "more vocal" critics of this parish when Mike was preparing to set off, and whilst he was in Cape town.

I think my reasons for holding those opinions were, and continue to be, sound.
In short - very short prep time, no real solo time in the boat before setting off and a beast of a boat to handle. Add in the opposition of some big names in solo sailing and the alarm bells start ringing.

Whilst I still think that Mike has been rushed into such a voyage by the time pressure of the record, I have been very impressed with his attitiude and maturity with dealing with the issues that have confronted him.

I wish him luck, but I still have this nagging doubt about him heading to Cape Horn, and will breathe a sigh of relief when this adventure ends with him safely back on one land mass or another.
 
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indulging in the usual forum habit of interpreting things to either suit yourself, or so as to pick an argument?

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Hah, this from the man who has a compulsion to argue with every opinion.

The fact remains that had you ever clocked up a 36 hour solo passage in a yacht you would be less inclined to criticize the MP venture.
 
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indulging in the usual forum habit of interpreting things to either suit yourself, or so as to pick an argument?

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Hah, this from the man who has a compulsion to argue with every opinion.

The fact remains that had you ever clocked up a 36 hour solo passage in a yacht you would be less inclined to criticize the MP venture.

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/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif What is it with you? Are you on some sort of medication? Is it just a personality defect? Or is it just a case of your tippity tappity typy fingers get going before you have engaged your brain....(I use the word brain advisedly)....

I think I will just write you off as a buffoon and leave it at that! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
im with you crusty, were all entitled to our own opinions, people should be critisizing the opinion and not the person here here for free speech
 
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im with you crusty, were all entitled to our own opinions,

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I for one, am delighted that sponsorship is available to allow the majority of people who aren't wealthy to enjoy these incredible trips.

Sailing's too much fun to be limited to those with the cash to fund it alone.
 
I know where you are coming from, and it's an understandable opinion, but I would say to you, what about all the folks that do it without big budgets and big boats, that are definately not wealthy?? As I also pointed out in an earlier post, the Perhams are not without a bob or two, and what about that Aussie lassie? I think she has a far more suitable boat, I agree she has a few sponsors, but to what extent I don't know? I have a feeling she will show Mike Perham the way home.......

Now I don't want to denigrate anybody, but I feel that Mike Perhams effort is turning into a bit of a jolly, the boat is a dog, so he is stopping off here, there, and nearly everywhere, and having a very nice time about it too. Hey that's just fine, but a record it isn't going to be. He has had outside assistance from many quarters, which in my book is a bit against the spirit of the thing.

Sorry if my opinion causes offence, but I am entitled to it. Also this being the land of free speech, (ho-ho)...I am entitled to express it, even if it does go against the grain for some. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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what about all the folks that do it without big budgets and big boats, that are definately not wealthy??

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Chrusty, I'm a bloke without a big budget. I'd love to sail the world. Or even a small bit of it. Perhaps you can explain to me how I can take 2-5 years off work and see the world in a boat of any kind without a big budget??? Am I missing something?

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I think she has a far more suitable boat,

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Some people like fast boats, some people like slow boats. Deal with it. For what it's worth in a Southern Ocean Storm I'd rather be going faster than the waves and in a lower apparent wind. A 20kt boat is also more capable of effective weather routing than a 5kt boat. YMMV, learn to live and let live.

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I feel that Mike Perhams effort is turning into a bit of a jolly, the boat is a dog, so he is stopping off here, there, and nearly everywhere, and having a very nice time about it too.

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Perhaps you could explain to the class why in your opinion having the time of his life seeing the world in a fast boat is a bad thing?

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"Chrusty, I'm a bloke without a big budget. I'd love to sail the world. Or even a small bit of it. Perhaps you can explain to me how I can take 2-5 years off work and see the world in a boat of any kind without a big budget??? Am I missing something?"

Probably yes you are, have you not heard of the Jester?? You don't need to take 2-5 years out to see a bit of the world in your own boat.....I guess if you wanted to, you would, just like others before you, have to sort out your priorities??

I never said in any of my posts that what Mike Perham is doing was a bad thing, so why are you suggesting I did?

I would not presume to tell the class anything as you put it, I am just expressing my opinion, Hey! if you don't like it.....Cope! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Probably yes you are, have you not heard of the Jester?? You don't need to take 2-5 years out to see a bit of the world in your own boat.....I guess if you wanted to, you would, just like others before you, have to sort out your priorities??

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I have a feeling you're saying that if I lower the priority of a roof over my head and a job then I could afford to do a big trip without a sponser. Which in my case is true. So you're saying sponsorship is bad but impoverishing myself for a glorified holiday is better?

What about someone who has no money at all? Should they not sail?

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I never said in any of my posts that what Mike Perham is doing was a bad thing, so why are you suggesting I did?

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Here:

I feel that Mike Perhams effort is turning into a bit of a jolly, the boat is a dog, so he is stopping off here, there, and nearly everywhere, and having a very nice time about it too.


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I am just expressing my opinion

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Which, however you dress it up, boils down to 'People without cash to burn shouldn't be able to sail'.
 
"Which, however you dress it up, boils down to 'People without cash to burn shouldn't be able to sail'."

These are your words, not mine. I am sorry, but I think that you are interpreting what I say to suit your own ends, just have look at the Jester Forum, you will find very ordinary people with not much cash preparing to have a go. Our very own forumite Nathan Lee, is just starting out on a UK circumnavigation in a MK1 Corribee, like I said, priorities.

If you really want to do it, you will find a way, but if you find it a bit daunting, and believe me many do, then fair enough, no-one will hold it against you, least of all me.

I think you are mistaken in your belief that huge amounts of corporate sponsorship are necessary, to be able to make long voyages, historical record is against you on this.

You are however entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine, but some of the adversarial brow beating you are engaging in, is absolutely pointless......Perhaps we should just agree to disagree, and leave it at that? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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I know where you are coming from, and it's an understandable opinion, but I would say to you, what about all the folks that do it without big budgets and big boats, that are definately not wealthy?

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Oh isn't it is nice to wallow in nostalgia for the days of Robinsons Golly and the British Corinthian sailing spirit. You only need a spare £20k or £50k to relive that dream.

And where is the evidence that all these low budget corinthean sailors are showing the world how to do it? The last Jester challenge was an awful advert for the capabilities of low budget British venture sailing, what was the cop out percentage 70% or 80%?

The last Yachting Monthly triangle fleet was decimated by one boisterous night in the Channel, yet another poor example of British Corinthian sailing endevour.

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Now I don't want to denigrate anybody, but I feel that Mike Perhams effort is turning into a bit of a jolly

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A Jolly! You don't have the faintest perception of the challenge he has faced to date.

Please describe the longest passage you have accomplished single handed in a sailing yacht? Can you tie a bowline without Googling for help?

MP has got half way around the world in a ultra high performance sailing machine while at the same time having to deal with the emotional demons of a very public failed record bid.
 
Fully agree with you Jonjo MPs achievment for someone so young is absolutely amazing.

I dont agree with your comments about Jester challenge Yachts Copping out though. Making a seamanlike decision to make for another port unaided and still self sufficient sounds more like common sense and good judgement to me.Exactly the same attributes shown by MP .
 
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"Which, however you dress it up, boils down to 'People without cash to burn shouldn't be able to sail'."

These are your words, not mine.
I am sorry, but I think that you are interpreting what I say to suit your own ends

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Well go on then. Mike Perham. 16 years old, no time to have earned the cash for a round the world trip. Should he a) Fund it by publicity/sponsorship, or b) not go. Which are you advocating?

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just have look at the Jester Forum, you will find very ordinary people with not much cash preparing to have a go. Our very own forumite Nathan Lee, is just starting out on a UK circumnavigation in a MK1 Corribee, like I said, priorities.If you really want to do it, you will find a way, but if you find it a bit daunting, and believe me many do, then fair enough, no-one will hold it against you, least of all me.


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Yes, I find being out of work at a time like this with my house sold to buy a boat so daunting I don't even dare do it!!!

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I think you are mistaken in your belief that huge amounts of corporate sponsorship are necessary, to be able to make long voyages

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I think you're crazy to think otherwise! 2 years off work alone would leave me homeless, and that's before I'd bought anything. Christ knows how you expect a 16 year old to fund his own sailing is beyond me.

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, historical record is against you on this.

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No it isn't. Rose, Knox Johnston, Chichester, Tillman all had to court publicity and sold books to offset the costs. It's hard to think of a single non-wealthy adventurer who didn't use publicity to pay for his trip. Can you name one?

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Perhaps we should just agree to disagree, and leave it at that?

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Fine by me.
 
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I dont agree with your comments about Jester challenge Yachts

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I don't want to be misinterpreted here. I followed the Jester challenge and think it is great that a bunch of blokes too old to consider most other physical adventuring, planned, prepared and in many cases made it to Plymouth for the starting gun. All great stuff.

However Chrusty is citing this type of sailing as the proper way to do it. Unfortunately by any rational analysis their mission abort percentage is one of the most notable facts.
 
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having to deal with the emotional demons of a very public failed record bid.

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FWIW I don't think he gives a [--word removed--] about that. He clearly loves sailing, and loves travelling. The non-stop record was just to get sponsors interested so he could do it. A nice to have, but no great loss.

I read his blog all the time - I don't recal the record even getting a mention from him.
 
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