Metals used in a Centaur mast step

aquaplane said:
I got a new Z Spars mast when the yard dropped mine, it was in 2 bits though.



My furler was undamaged, I would be very wary of straightened foils, especially if the damage is near a join.
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blimey that is a clean break

so chaps - does aluminium get unseen stress cracks

I do know that they immerse aluminium aeroplane parts in a flourscent die to check for cracks

filmed them doing helicopter parts once

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dye_penetrant_inspection

this is a bit worrying too

http://www.marineresults.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/non-destructive-testing-crack.jpg

If I had been there as the mast came down I would have had the camera running

it would have been a good youtube film
 
Dylan- I'm confused.

If you were about to send off the cheque today (Friday), and the deal would complete when it clears, then why was the mast being taken down in the meantime?

If it's to do some agreed work then you're going to want to know that's been done and the boat is back in commission before you send a cheque. If it's not to do some agreed work then why is the seller taking risk upon himself by unshipping the mast before a sale?

If for some reason you wanted to take delivery of the boat with mast off then he was presumably having it dropped in good faith/as a favour. This then has gone horribly wrong for him, becuase if I were you I would walk away- but it's rather sad if you have to walk because the vendor tried to be helpful.

I don't really understand the sequence of events.

All I can say about the damage to the mast is that I would question whether I want the yard that broke it, to fix it. Presumably the seller should put it through his insurance and they will assess the damage. Was the boat insured?

Cheers
 
Surely the salient insurance is that of the yard? I would be most reluctant to have professionals working on my boat, or house or car for that matter without being sure they were insured. ��
 
bitbaltic said:
Dylan- I'm confused.

If you were about to send off the cheque today (Friday), and the deal would complete when it clears, then why was the mast being taken down in the meantime?

If it's to do some agreed work then you're going to want to know that's been done and the boat is back in commission before you send a cheque. If it's not to do some agreed work then why is the seller taking risk upon himself by unshipping the mast before a sale?

If for some reason you wanted to take delivery of the boat with mast off then he was presumably having it dropped in good faith/as a favour. This then has gone horribly wrong for him, becuase if I were you I would walk away- but it's rather sad if you have to walk because the vendor tried to be helpful.

I don't really understand the sequence of events.

All I can say about the damage to the mast is that I would question whether I want the yard that broke it, to fix it. Presumably the seller should put it through his insurance and they will assess the damage. Was the boat insured?

Cheers
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I went to see the boat afloat on my way back from Scotland

the inside is tatty, the engine seems a cracker, the sails are tatty and it has the shrouds over the windows

all boats of this age have a history - nothing wrong with that. The keels appear to be in good shape.

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/blogs/centaur-2/

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/blogs/old-centaur-2-survey/

spent the weekend thinking about it

got a bit excited about taking it through the middle

four days later I agreed the 4K

with the understanding that he would get it put it ashore and it would remain under his ownership until the cheque had cleared

it is a mast down yard so removing masts is routine and part of the £140 crane out fee

- they have a good crane there so I assume that they were using the crane and with a banksman present as well

so it was the yard's responsibility to bring the boat that did not yet belong to me ashore

dropping the mast for the winter is not something I am keen on - tightened rigging screws are best left as they are in my opinion.

but local rules apply - even for bilge keelers with 1.5 tonnes of metal spread wider than any cradle. Never heard of a centaur falling over in the wind.

the yard have said that they will make good the damage...

but I am not sure about making good the damage you cannot see

I think the RR sections will need replacing rather than straightening

rigging screws will have taken a bashing I assume, ditto electrics

I know no more than the correspondence on my blog

I have no idea about the cost of repairs but sorting it with a hammer and a welding rod does not sound suitable for the Hebrides

not for me anyway

I am not walking away yet....

I would like to see pictures of the damage as it is now

but one of the good things about Centaurs is that they are like busses - another will be along in a minute

D

PS - I still like the name Katie Mhor for the Scottish boat
 
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dylanwinter said:
I went to see the boat afloat on my way back from Scotland

the inside is tatty, the engine seems a cracker, the sails are tatty and it has the shrouds over the windows
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I have been GISing Centaurs, and it seems that they all have the inner shrouds attached over the big windows. Is that right?
 
Ok a mast-down yard: I get it now.

Then it's not your problem. It's up to the vendor's insurance to sort it and to their surveyor's satisfaction. The vendor can't really expect you to complete now because the boat's condition is materially different to that on which the deal was agreed.

You can either wait to see the repairs and report; or, go and find another centaur. The vendor can't expect much else.

I wouldn't say you're walking- just say that you'll review the deal when the repairs are complete and in the meantime you're going back to the market.
 
bitbaltic said:
Ok a mast-down yard: I get it now.

Then it's not your problem. It's up to the vendor's insurance to sort it and to their surveyor's satisfaction. The vendor can't really expect you to complete now because the boat's condition is materially different to that on which the deal was agreed.

You can either wait to see the repairs and report; or, go and find another centaur. The vendor can't expect much else.

I wouldn't say you're walking- just say that you'll review the deal when the repairs are complete and in the meantime you're going back to the market.
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that is just what I have told the owner

this is bad news for all of us....

but a centaur is like no other yacht in the UK

I reckon there are over thirty on the market at the moment

this one needed work but nothing structural. Now it needs structural work.
 
dylanwinter said:
no - they abandoned that when the windows started stretching away from the frames and moved them to the toe rail
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I cannot find a single picture of a Centaur with the inner shrouds attached to the toe rail. However, some of them have the attachment immediately above the front (big) window, like this (round portlights -> early boat)

s6737-moored2.jpg


and some of them have them just in front of the windows, like this (square portlights -> later boat)

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It looks to me as if the actual attachment points are the same, but some have smaller windows. The outer / cap shrouds all seem to go to the toe rail.
 
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JumbleDuck said:
I cannot find a single picture of a Centaur with the inner shrouds attached to the toe rail. However, some of them have the attachment immediately above the front (big) window, like this (round portlights -> early boat)

s6737-moored2.jpg


and some of them have them just in front of the windows, like this (square portlights -> later boat)

gs4.jpg


It looks to me as if the actual attachment points are the same, but some have smaller windows. The outer / cap shrouds all seem to go to the toe rail.
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you are right

I am wrong
 
JumbleDuck said:
If I were you I would be walking away from this one unless you got a surveyor's report saying that everything is sound. At the seller's expense, natch.
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Moi aussi... even with the surveyors report to be honest... lots of boats about to choose from....

PS. I may be alone in this but I like the look of Centaur's.... :cool:
 
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£4k for a Centaur with a good engine and a new mast, rigging and rr sounds fine to me. Yards insurance should pay out if it was their fault.
 
rhumlady said:
£4k for a Centaur with a good engine and a new mast, rigging and rr sounds fine to me. Yards insurance should pay out if it was their fault.
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If a mast and rigging is 3K then the boat is a write off

the engine is worth 1K of anyone's money

£500 in the keels

scrap aluminium and stainless

I would not like to take a mast that has had a crash to the outer hebs

I think the best thing would be for the yard to buy the boat for the 4K and scrap it

they could even make money

D
 
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