Measuring boat length

I had the same thing in a Premier Marina. They measured it and proclaimed I'd have to stump up another £572 as the boat was 300mm. over 10 metres.

I went immediately to the local Screwfix and spent £120 on a new grinder with SS cutting disc and lopped 300mm. off the protruding bow rail over the anchor platform.

I considered it a good deal as I'd have happily spent £571.99 to do the job... :D
 
I don't see the problem, they are perfectlly entitled to charge for you're acctual size rather than the number written on the boat?

Last i checked marinas were not charities?
 
John_Mackay said:
Bit of debate going on at marina about the length of my boat. Falcon 22 which means 22 feet long as shown is boat specs. Not Falcon 23 which is newer model.
22ft equals 6.77 m
Marina says it is over 7m at 7.15m as thay have measured it.
What is the reconised method of measuring a boat?

Any advice?
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Falcon 22 and 23 are same size, its just that the 22 has a bolt on platform and the 23 has it as part of the hull/deck moulding.
In your case you have the option of unbolting it and havnt got the transom door to worry about.
 
Think it is fair to charge for the boat as measured from fixed points, that includes davits.

Less fair when they try and put the dinghy overhang on as well.

The only way to accurately measure a boat is out of the water, drop a plumb line from the extreme point of the bow and stern and likewise the widest point of the side decks to give the beam.

If there is an inch or two in it between a lower and higher band I think I would measure it myself, as many times as necessary until it was just under.
 
No matter how many times we measure ours she still comes under the minimum charge bracket of 7.5m. Does that mean we should be adding bits to make up the extra .25m we are paying for :)
 
CX54WEK said:
No matter how many times we measure ours she still comes under the minimum charge bracket of 7.5m. Does that mean we should be adding bits to make up the extra .25m we are paying for :)
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If they are charging you for it then maybe you could ask them to keep it on account, that way if you change the boat you could knock a few inch's off? Don't know if they would be as keen to do that as charge for more than the length though ;-)
 
John_Mackay said:
Bit of debate going on at marina about the length of my boat. Falcon 22 which means 22 feet long as shown is boat specs. Not Falcon 23 which is newer model.
22ft equals 6.77 m
Marina says it is over 7m at 7.15m as thay have measured it.
What is the reconised method of measuring a boat?

Any advice?
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My advice would be to look at alternative marinas and ask what they charge for your boat. I would expect a marina to charge you for the length of the boat as per the manufacturers spec, surely this can be googled. It's a bit much for a marina to get a tape measure out and give their "opinion" of its length to enable them to charge you more. If you had incorrectly advised them that your boat was 25 foot, I wonder if they would have scurried down to measure it in case you were due a refund.
 
Bojangles said:
My advice would be to look at alternative marinas and ask what they charge for your boat. I would expect a marina to charge you for the length of the boat as per the manufacturers spec, surely this can be googled. It's a bit much for a marina to get a tape measure out and give their "opinion" of its length to enable them to charge you more. If you had incorrectly advised them that your boat was 25 foot, I wonder if they would have scurried down to measure it in case you were due a refund.
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Really? I would expect the marina to charge for the actual length of the boat. That's how much space your boat will take in its berth. Most marinas make that very clear in their T.s and C.s.

My boat's length according to the manufacturer is 9.66 metres. In reality it is 10 metres (see above post).

If I owned a marina I would want accurate actual measurements of the boats moored, and measuring them in the presence of the owner would seem the best way to achieve this as it would remove any possibility of dispute.
 
carlton said:
Really? I would expect the marina to charge for the actual length of the boat. That's how much space your boat will take in its berth. Most marinas make that very clear in their T.s and C.s.

My boat's length according to the manufacturer is 9.66 metres. In reality it is 10 metres (see above post).

If I owned a marina I would want accurate actual measurements of the boats moored, and measuring them in the presence of the owner would seem the best way to achieve this as it would remove any possibility of dispute.
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I don't understand why a boat manufacturer would understate the dimensions of one of it's products. I also don't understand why anyone would chop off a bit of their boat to save on berthing fees. Is their no good faith in the marinas you refer to, you have taken off a bit of your boat and probably take up the same berth (using less air space?) so pay over £500 quid less. In my book, this is "cutting off your nose to spite your face"

If I owned a marina, I would like to hold my head up high when meeting my much appreciated customers, rather than having to face them despite the fact that they have taken extreme measures to save paying my fees.
 
Most boats are bigger than their designated model size, surely no one thinks that a marina owner will not know this. my Sealine 310 statesman is actually 34'

The charge per foot is just a fairness charge that averages the cost of the marina across boats. Maybe it could be adopted by NCP that way you could pay for your car parking dependant on how big the car you can afford is, you can put your mini in a space big enough for a Bentley and pay half as much for the privilege.
 
Bojangles said:
I don't understand why a boat manufacturer would understate the dimensions of one of it's products.
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Me neither - but they do/did.

Bojangles said:
I also don't understand why anyone would chop off a bit of their boat to save on berthing fees. Is their no good faith in the marinas you refer to, you have taken off a bit of your boat and probably take up the same berth (using less air space?) so pay over £500 quid less. In my book, this is "cutting off your nose to spite your face"
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In my particular case, the bow rail protruded over the anchor platform. No idea why, but that's how it was designed. We're talking about 300mm. of 'excess' 7/8" SS tube here that took about half an hour to remove. If I wanted to, I could replace the section I removed in about the same time for negligible cost, so we're not exactly talking about any kind of major re-design here. Yet you don't understand why I did that rather than pay an additional £572? You must be, to coin a phrase, considerably richer than me!!!

Bojangles said:
If I owned a marina, I would like to hold my head up high when meeting my much appreciated customers, rather than having to face them despite the fact that they have taken extreme measures to save paying my fees.
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Where do we draw the line here? (geddit? :rolleyes:)

I rarely defend marinas, but there's a first time for everything...

Marinas are businesses - their raison d'être is to return a profit on investment. Therefore they should charge for the correct/actual boat length, in my opinion. Anything else wouldn't make sense to me, but I speak as someone who owns a business so p'raps my view is slanted towards earning a living rather than running a charity!
 
In my marina....

My boat is 15.63m LOD (length on deck - i.e. the length of the hull structure without any protruding bits such as anchor, fittings hanging over the stern etc. This according to the document I received from the marina is what is officially the LOA which is written onto a French registration document. It also corresponds to what is on my UK Part 1 registration for LOA).

They also measured my boat with a tape measure. It is 20.3m from tip of the bow sprit to the tip of wind generator fitting on the stern rail.

I pay for category R which is 15.01 to 17.00m length.
 
My mooring is charged by overall length, I pay annually and this year it worked out just under £6.50 per day. For that we all get toilets, showers, a dedicated berth, cctv, on site engineers etc etc etc. How much do you pay to park a car for the day, no one watching it, no facilities, have to fight for a space. i dont reckon its such a bad deal
 
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