Kevin
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Re: Already moving in the right direction?
Well done thats the one
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Well done thats the one
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MBM / MBY Overlap
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Hugo_Andreae
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Wow. I put my head down for two days to get the next issue out and the forum explodes.
The fact is that while it would be easy for Tom and myself to draw a line in the sand and agree that MBM would cover new and used boats up to a given size and MBY would cover everything above that, the reality is that the market doesn't work that way.
We have subscribers with 50ft plus boats worth over a million pounds who wouldn't be seen dead reading MBY, likewise I'm sure they have readers running secondhand soap dishes who would sooner sell their kids than buy a copy of MBM. It's all about people's approach to boating rather than the depth of their pockets.
That said I'm hearing your pleas for more stories on affordable boats, restoration projects and real world boating.
We plan to launch a new format for used boat reports in the New Year to run alongside our owner's reports (who we will keep in touch with for regular updates on running costs, reliability etc). We also have several great restoration project stories nearing completion and a plan to boost our DIY coverage. We will continue with our policy of running at least one test or group test per issue on small "affordable" new boats.
In fact if you could just persuade my publisher to give me another 20 pages, I reckon we could have the perfect motor boat magazine.
Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to winterise my SeaRay before the engine block cracks in two.
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The fact is that while it would be easy for Tom and myself to draw a line in the sand and agree that MBM would cover new and used boats up to a given size and MBY would cover everything above that, the reality is that the market doesn't work that way.
We have subscribers with 50ft plus boats worth over a million pounds who wouldn't be seen dead reading MBY, likewise I'm sure they have readers running secondhand soap dishes who would sooner sell their kids than buy a copy of MBM. It's all about people's approach to boating rather than the depth of their pockets.
That said I'm hearing your pleas for more stories on affordable boats, restoration projects and real world boating.
We plan to launch a new format for used boat reports in the New Year to run alongside our owner's reports (who we will keep in touch with for regular updates on running costs, reliability etc). We also have several great restoration project stories nearing completion and a plan to boost our DIY coverage. We will continue with our policy of running at least one test or group test per issue on small "affordable" new boats.
In fact if you could just persuade my publisher to give me another 20 pages, I reckon we could have the perfect motor boat magazine.
Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to winterise my SeaRay before the engine block cracks in two.
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whisper
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The new plans sound as if things are indeed moving in the right direction (from my point of view anyway). I look forward to the next few months with anticipation.
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kimhollamby
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JD Power
JD Power surveys are operating in the marine sphere, but only specifically in the US. I've yet to speak with them but I would imagine that is because the volumes are high enough that they can get a good enough sample to make some sense of a survey in that market, whereas they would struggle in most European countries. Also, statistics tend to me much more open on the other side of the Atlantic.
See examples of activities:
http://www.ybw.com/ibinews/newsdesk/20020805112643ibinews.html
Sample size is pretty important and we have some experience of that, with yachting World's ARC survey which asks questions of all of the people taking part in the Atlantic rally for Cruisers each year. See
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.ybw-directory.com/arc2002/arc1.jsp>http://www.ybw-directory.com/arc2002/arc1.jsp</A>
Considerable circumspection is required when drawing conclusions on this survey because the exercise, though involving a rigorous test, has to be balanced by the relatively small sample and by the subjective views of those involved. there are some further improvements being made to the way we gather and crunch this data next time around but it requires considerable effort, as you might suppose.
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JD Power surveys are operating in the marine sphere, but only specifically in the US. I've yet to speak with them but I would imagine that is because the volumes are high enough that they can get a good enough sample to make some sense of a survey in that market, whereas they would struggle in most European countries. Also, statistics tend to me much more open on the other side of the Atlantic.
See examples of activities:
http://www.ybw.com/ibinews/newsdesk/20020805112643ibinews.html
Sample size is pretty important and we have some experience of that, with yachting World's ARC survey which asks questions of all of the people taking part in the Atlantic rally for Cruisers each year. See
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.ybw-directory.com/arc2002/arc1.jsp>http://www.ybw-directory.com/arc2002/arc1.jsp</A>
Considerable circumspection is required when drawing conclusions on this survey because the exercise, though involving a rigorous test, has to be balanced by the relatively small sample and by the subjective views of those involved. there are some further improvements being made to the way we gather and crunch this data next time around but it requires considerable effort, as you might suppose.
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Kevin
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Re: JD Power
I have taken the odd look at JD power with regard boats in the US, I found it fairly useful when looking at particular makes. The only problem I found with JD power is that they seem to cover very few makes (but to be fair from some of the biggest volume manufacturers) and even make the note that they have, at times, only a small sample to go by.
I understand and agree with what you are saying about being able to get a large enough number of samples to work with in the UK etc. Couldnt it be something whereby the samples are taken across owners throughout the EU? Or perhaps as manufacturers of boats are fairly international be incorporated, where possible, into the USA survey? maybe both of these are far too logistically problematic
Kevin
I have taken the odd look at JD power with regard boats in the US, I found it fairly useful when looking at particular makes. The only problem I found with JD power is that they seem to cover very few makes (but to be fair from some of the biggest volume manufacturers) and even make the note that they have, at times, only a small sample to go by.
I understand and agree with what you are saying about being able to get a large enough number of samples to work with in the UK etc. Couldnt it be something whereby the samples are taken across owners throughout the EU? Or perhaps as manufacturers of boats are fairly international be incorporated, where possible, into the USA survey? maybe both of these are far too logistically problematic
Kevin
Jake
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Hi Guys
Without giving too much away, just keep an eye on PBO over the next few months. I think you might be pleasantly surprised.....
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Without giving too much away, just keep an eye on PBO over the next few months. I think you might be pleasantly surprised.....
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TomIsitt
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Excellent...the 12-part "How to Make a SuperYacht Out of Pallets, Evo-Stick, Tin Cans and String" feature is finally coming to fruition, eh Jake? And will this follow hot on the heels of the eagerly-anticipated "Save Money on Toothpaste by Anti-fouling Your Teeth" feature? ;0)
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martynwhiteley
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No Tom's got it wrong, bound to be:-
Full Test of the new entry level Princess 42
First impressions of the latest Astondoa 112
and long term user report on a Leopard 23m.
Well we may as well have a consistent level of overlap!
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Full Test of the new entry level Princess 42
First impressions of the latest Astondoa 112
and long term user report on a Leopard 23m.
Well we may as well have a consistent level of overlap!
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DepSol
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hold on we got a 3 way competition here between Jake Hugo and Tom......ding ding round two.
Well at least this highlights that they actually care about our opinion and are doing summat about it.
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Well at least this highlights that they actually care about our opinion and are doing summat about it.
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<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.soltron.co.uk>the website</A>
Alistairr
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And i believe its about a friend of our ON HERE.....
But its all right Mums The Word./forums/images/icons/laugh.gif/forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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But its all right Mums The Word./forums/images/icons/laugh.gif/forums/images/icons/wink.gif
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martynwhiteley
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All those free brollies, and now in-house secrets!
Which editor did you snap in a compromising position then Alistair?
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Which editor did you snap in a compromising position then Alistair?
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Alistairr
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Oh, Now that would be telling./forums/images/icons/laugh.gif/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
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tcm
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Re: Mech grads : the joke
me, jfm, learner and Deleted User are all sitting around on a boat, bemoaning various busted boaty things. "You'd need a degree in Mechancial Engineering to understand how to fix everything, though!" sez Learner. Quizzical looks from assembled, who all have indeed got that qualification, but still have not fixed everything. Learner runs off to the drinks fridge, no even more wurrid about boat ownership than before....
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me, jfm, learner and Deleted User are all sitting around on a boat, bemoaning various busted boaty things. "You'd need a degree in Mechancial Engineering to understand how to fix everything, though!" sez Learner. Quizzical looks from assembled, who all have indeed got that qualification, but still have not fixed everything. Learner runs off to the drinks fridge, no even more wurrid about boat ownership than before....
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martynwhiteley
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Re: Mech grads : the joke
That must be the secret to success, being a failed mech engineer.
Any mech eng too competent would be still working 24/7 trying to keep a 40 year old power plant running, whilst taking home less than £2K a month.
At best, their 22ft cuddy would see the water about three times a year.
Now the second rate ones, they must have migrated into property, IT, or Financial Services, earned a fast buck for little effort, and splashed out on a mega-yacht.
Trouble now is that all they ever knew about engineering is a dim and distant memory, exacerbated by years on the booze!
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That must be the secret to success, being a failed mech engineer.
Any mech eng too competent would be still working 24/7 trying to keep a 40 year old power plant running, whilst taking home less than £2K a month.
At best, their 22ft cuddy would see the water about three times a year.
Now the second rate ones, they must have migrated into property, IT, or Financial Services, earned a fast buck for little effort, and splashed out on a mega-yacht.
Trouble now is that all they ever knew about engineering is a dim and distant memory, exacerbated by years on the booze!
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tcm
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Re: Mech grads : the joke
How very offensive! But uncannily accurate and true.
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How very offensive! But uncannily accurate and true.
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