capricorn
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Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon *DELETED*
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RestlessL
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
The CG also tasked Bembridge Lightboat. This was stood down once the Harbour police took the Genesis in tow.
Genesis also reported that her pumps were holding out.
The CG also tasked Bembridge Lightboat. This was stood down once the Harbour police took the Genesis in tow.
Genesis also reported that her pumps were holding out.
chanelyacht
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
Didn't hear the event, but what type of comments prompts your concern?
Didn't hear the event, but what type of comments prompts your concern?
starboard
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
With my RNLI past experiance I would suggest it is better to overreact than under. In this situation with water coming in I guess the skipper thought a Mayday was a good call....its easy for the C/G to down grade to a PAN if required .
Paul.
With my RNLI past experiance I would suggest it is better to overreact than under. In this situation with water coming in I guess the skipper thought a Mayday was a good call....its easy for the C/G to down grade to a PAN if required .
Paul.
BlueChip
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
We were sailing round the back of the Island on Saturday and there was little to hear except CG broadcasts. We thought that CG must be having a bad day when she was really aggressive towards some poor guy who called a pan pan after his engine failed.
We thought her attitude very unprofessional.
We were sailing round the back of the Island on Saturday and there was little to hear except CG broadcasts. We thought that CG must be having a bad day when she was really aggressive towards some poor guy who called a pan pan after his engine failed.
We thought her attitude very unprofessional.
jimmy_the_builder
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
Deleted to avoid further patronising comments from other forumites.
Deleted to avoid further patronising comments from other forumites.
Twister_Ken
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
If you've got a VHF operator's licence you should recall that part of your obligations are to keep information heard in VHF calls confidential!
If you've got a VHF operator's licence you should recall that part of your obligations are to keep information heard in VHF calls confidential!
chanelyacht
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
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If you've got a VHF operator's licence you should recall that part of your obligations are to keep information heard in VHF calls confidential!
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Ch16 Mayday / Pan / Securite messages are general broadcast messages, therefore they do not fall into this restriction.
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If you've got a VHF operator's licence you should recall that part of your obligations are to keep information heard in VHF calls confidential!
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Ch16 Mayday / Pan / Securite messages are general broadcast messages, therefore they do not fall into this restriction.
Litotes
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
When I obtained my VHF ticket many years ago I had to sign an agreement not to reveal the contents of messages overheard.
Does that no longer apply?
When I obtained my VHF ticket many years ago I had to sign an agreement not to reveal the contents of messages overheard.
Does that no longer apply?
futurama
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
Taken from RYA booklet G22
Secrecy of correspondence
Anyone who becomes acquainted with the contents of radiotelephone calls is legally bound to preserve the secrecy of correspondence. No one shall divulge the contents,or even the existence,of correspondence transmitted,received or intercepted by a radio station.
Taken from RYA booklet G22
Secrecy of correspondence
Anyone who becomes acquainted with the contents of radiotelephone calls is legally bound to preserve the secrecy of correspondence. No one shall divulge the contents,or even the existence,of correspondence transmitted,received or intercepted by a radio station.
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Chrusty1
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
Hmmmm, well then I suppose that should a police officer ask you about some radio traffic that allegedly took place you could say to him that RYA booklet G22 says that you must not tell him! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sorry, time to step back onto the real world /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Hmmmm, well then I suppose that should a police officer ask you about some radio traffic that allegedly took place you could say to him that RYA booklet G22 says that you must not tell him! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sorry, time to step back onto the real world /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
rickp
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
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Hmmmm, well then I suppose that should a police officer ask you about some radio traffic that allegedly took place you could say to him that RYA booklet G22 says that you must not tell him! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Section 48 of the Wireless Telegraphy Act - there is an exemption for that.
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A person does not commit an offence under this section consisting in the disclosure of information if he discloses the information in the course of legal proceedings or for the purpose of a report of legal proceedings.
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Rick
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Hmmmm, well then I suppose that should a police officer ask you about some radio traffic that allegedly took place you could say to him that RYA booklet G22 says that you must not tell him! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Section 48 of the Wireless Telegraphy Act - there is an exemption for that.
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A person does not commit an offence under this section consisting in the disclosure of information if he discloses the information in the course of legal proceedings or for the purpose of a report of legal proceedings.
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Rick
Beadle
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
That regulation dates back to the days that "link" calls could be made over VHF.
That is a call to a landline telephone.
Such calls were confidential and I believe came under the Official Secrets Act.
I would judge that Mayday Pan etc are "broadcast, that is intended for any station to listen to. I have heard tapes of Mayday calls transmitted by BBc and ITV news programmes, I do not believe either of these have ben prosecuted.
In fact, I know of no instance where a prosecution for listening to a call has occurred.
That regulation dates back to the days that "link" calls could be made over VHF.
That is a call to a landline telephone.
Such calls were confidential and I believe came under the Official Secrets Act.
I would judge that Mayday Pan etc are "broadcast, that is intended for any station to listen to. I have heard tapes of Mayday calls transmitted by BBc and ITV news programmes, I do not believe either of these have ben prosecuted.
In fact, I know of no instance where a prosecution for listening to a call has occurred.
Litotes
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
Thank you
I'm certainly not aware of any qualification regarding distress and urgency calls.
I have seen quite a few posts here in which the contents of calls overheard have been revealed and by no means all of them have, in any case, been in those categories.
Thank you
I'm certainly not aware of any qualification regarding distress and urgency calls.
I have seen quite a few posts here in which the contents of calls overheard have been revealed and by no means all of them have, in any case, been in those categories.
Sans Bateau
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
Is it not the duty of each and everyone of us who is monitoring Ch16 to listen carefully to the contents of a Mayday to establish if we can be of assistance?
Is it not the duty of each and everyone of us who is monitoring Ch16 to listen carefully to the contents of a Mayday to establish if we can be of assistance?
Litotes
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
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That regulation dates back to the days that "link" calls could be made over VHF.
That is a call to a landline telephone.
Such calls were confidential and I believe came under the Official Secrets Act.
I would judge that Mayday Pan etc are "broadcast, that is intended for any station to listen to.
I know of no instance where a prosecution for listening to a call has occured.
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Listening to a call is not the issue. That was unavoidable when you were waiting your turn for a link call. The regulation remains as stated in the RYA booklet, as quoted by Fry.
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That regulation dates back to the days that "link" calls could be made over VHF.
That is a call to a landline telephone.
Such calls were confidential and I believe came under the Official Secrets Act.
I would judge that Mayday Pan etc are "broadcast, that is intended for any station to listen to.
I know of no instance where a prosecution for listening to a call has occured.
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Listening to a call is not the issue. That was unavoidable when you were waiting your turn for a link call. The regulation remains as stated in the RYA booklet, as quoted by Fry.
Sailfree
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
Taken literally that would result in stopping any sensible discussions about emergency situations.
I note that having been "warned off" some have deleted their posts making the thread difficult to follow but my understanding from someone that knows someone else that is Fred's uncle - so I am not repeating a confidential VHF conversation is that the CG operatior in the Solent this weekend was not up to the usual high standard telling one person who had lost power that to throw an anchor over and was it a Pan Pan and to a boat with children on board that was taking on water after a grounding that a rib would assist and they were not reassuring when the sunseeker requested a more powerful boat to do the tow as (whatever the fact) he was very worried about sinking and he was not reassured by the CG's response.
I can only express my surprise at the poor response by the CG which contrast so drastically with the polite professional way they patiently respond to all the dickheads requesting radio checks.
One of my crew remarked that they were surprised by the "short thrift" the CG operator gave to a few situations this weekend.
Yes we can all have an opinion about the engine failure whether it was a securitie or a pan pan. Throw an anchor out and join seastart like other responsible sailors but the sunseeker taking on water could have been dealt with better IMHO.
Taken literally that would result in stopping any sensible discussions about emergency situations.
I note that having been "warned off" some have deleted their posts making the thread difficult to follow but my understanding from someone that knows someone else that is Fred's uncle - so I am not repeating a confidential VHF conversation is that the CG operatior in the Solent this weekend was not up to the usual high standard telling one person who had lost power that to throw an anchor over and was it a Pan Pan and to a boat with children on board that was taking on water after a grounding that a rib would assist and they were not reassuring when the sunseeker requested a more powerful boat to do the tow as (whatever the fact) he was very worried about sinking and he was not reassured by the CG's response.
I can only express my surprise at the poor response by the CG which contrast so drastically with the polite professional way they patiently respond to all the dickheads requesting radio checks.
One of my crew remarked that they were surprised by the "short thrift" the CG operator gave to a few situations this weekend.
Yes we can all have an opinion about the engine failure whether it was a securitie or a pan pan. Throw an anchor out and join seastart like other responsible sailors but the sunseeker taking on water could have been dealt with better IMHO.
l'escargot
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
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...but the sunseeker taking on water could have been dealt with better IMHO.
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The skipper was compounding the problem at times, suggesting options that he would prefer instead of allowing the CG to do their job - he was spoken to rather sternly by the lady controller at one point. He seemed more intent on getting home and having a lift out arranged rather than getting the boat to safety and effecting a temorary repair. The last I heard was that he had arranged a lift out in Port Solent and it would suggest that the expectation was that the lifeboat would tow him through Portsmouth Harbour and through the lock.
There was another incident where the skipper of a Sunsail boat was hit by the boom, although there were several offers of assistance, the controller was allowed to get on with her job without "helpful" suggestions.
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...but the sunseeker taking on water could have been dealt with better IMHO.
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The skipper was compounding the problem at times, suggesting options that he would prefer instead of allowing the CG to do their job - he was spoken to rather sternly by the lady controller at one point. He seemed more intent on getting home and having a lift out arranged rather than getting the boat to safety and effecting a temorary repair. The last I heard was that he had arranged a lift out in Port Solent and it would suggest that the expectation was that the lifeboat would tow him through Portsmouth Harbour and through the lock.
There was another incident where the skipper of a Sunsail boat was hit by the boom, although there were several offers of assistance, the controller was allowed to get on with her job without "helpful" suggestions.
Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
The poor pay of Coast Guard officers is a current political issue. It is in the public interest to have open discussions that highlight a possible deterioration of standards within the Coastguard service.
An excellent example is the recent ybw.com forum thread about poor quality signals from Solent CG. The thread highlighted that Solent CG does not perform regular remote testing of its own transmission equipment.
The poor pay of Coast Guard officers is a current political issue. It is in the public interest to have open discussions that highlight a possible deterioration of standards within the Coastguard service.
An excellent example is the recent ybw.com forum thread about poor quality signals from Solent CG. The thread highlighted that Solent CG does not perform regular remote testing of its own transmission equipment.
Litotes
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Re: Mayday Off Portsmouth Saturday Afternoon
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Taken literally that would result in stopping any sensible discussions about emergency situations.
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There's a world of difference between a sensible discussion of emergency situations you learn about from radio transmissions and the disclosure of the contents of those specific transmissions, locations and the names of the vessels involved.
Of course, in any such situation, the transmissions will only give you a very partial view, so most of the discussion is based on speculation in any case.
Any of us can get into trouble. Regulations or no regulations, I, for one, would prefer not to have details of any transmissions I might make and responses thereto picked over and speculated upon on a public forum.
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Taken literally that would result in stopping any sensible discussions about emergency situations.
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There's a world of difference between a sensible discussion of emergency situations you learn about from radio transmissions and the disclosure of the contents of those specific transmissions, locations and the names of the vessels involved.
Of course, in any such situation, the transmissions will only give you a very partial view, so most of the discussion is based on speculation in any case.
Any of us can get into trouble. Regulations or no regulations, I, for one, would prefer not to have details of any transmissions I might make and responses thereto picked over and speculated upon on a public forum.