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AndrewB
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Corrected link.
It's one of those tricky URLs containing embedded spaces.
Try <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.nautinst.org/mars/mars%5Fgen/7086%20yacht%20tug%20and%20tow%20collision.html>HERE</A>. Sobering stuff.
It's one of those tricky URLs containing embedded spaces.
Try <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.nautinst.org/mars/mars%5Fgen/7086%20yacht%20tug%20and%20tow%20collision.html>HERE</A>. Sobering stuff.
Vara
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I've not seen this site before what an eye opener,and we thought we had problems!!
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MainlySteam
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The full report is well worth reading by any yachtsman.
The link is given in the NI synopsis but for ease if anyone is interested the full report is here <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.msa.govt.nz/Publications/accidents/AccidentReportWainuiToolkaT.pdf>http://www.msa.govt.nz/Publications/accidents/AccidentReportWainuiToolkaT.pdf</A>
John
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The link is given in the NI synopsis but for ease if anyone is interested the full report is here <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.msa.govt.nz/Publications/accidents/AccidentReportWainuiToolkaT.pdf>http://www.msa.govt.nz/Publications/accidents/AccidentReportWainuiToolkaT.pdf</A>
John
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Stemar
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Another report from MARS:
"This is a hypothetical situation which could form a discussion topic for MARS. The scenario is a ship/yacht collision happening in the Bristol Channel in dense fog. The ship is inward bound at 18 knots with an operational radar (I believe the speed does not contravene the collision regulations, though it may not be prudent). The yacht is crossing the Bristol Channel under sail and becomes becalmed as the wind drops and a collision occurs. The yacht has no engine and is sounding fog horn as required. No VHF (not required). No radar (not required). Indeed no Radar Reflector, although that would seem to be foolish. However I also believe that it would not be required.
The target is missed on the ships radar due to clutter. It seems to me that the yacht is behaving quite properly and is quite unable to do anything other than sound her fog horn which of course she must do to comply with the regulations. The imaginary collision is outside narrow channels, estuaries and traffic separation schemes."
Discuss...
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"This is a hypothetical situation which could form a discussion topic for MARS. The scenario is a ship/yacht collision happening in the Bristol Channel in dense fog. The ship is inward bound at 18 knots with an operational radar (I believe the speed does not contravene the collision regulations, though it may not be prudent). The yacht is crossing the Bristol Channel under sail and becomes becalmed as the wind drops and a collision occurs. The yacht has no engine and is sounding fog horn as required. No VHF (not required). No radar (not required). Indeed no Radar Reflector, although that would seem to be foolish. However I also believe that it would not be required.
The target is missed on the ships radar due to clutter. It seems to me that the yacht is behaving quite properly and is quite unable to do anything other than sound her fog horn which of course she must do to comply with the regulations. The imaginary collision is outside narrow channels, estuaries and traffic separation schemes."
Discuss...
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jhr
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Re: Another report from MARS:
<<Indeed no Radar Reflector, although that would seem to be foolish. However I also believe that it would not be required>>
Surely SOLAS regs require a radar reflector to be fitted, even to small yachts, "if practicable" I think it would be difficult to argue that it's not practicable to mount an effective reflector on a mast?
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<<Indeed no Radar Reflector, although that would seem to be foolish. However I also believe that it would not be required>>
Surely SOLAS regs require a radar reflector to be fitted, even to small yachts, "if practicable" I think it would be difficult to argue that it's not practicable to mount an effective reflector on a mast?
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AndrewB
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Re: Another report from MARS:
Sounds like a lot of stupidity all round. No set of rules can ever cope with that. I would guess the writer has an axe to grind about yachts.
There have been more interesting hypothetical cases for IRPCS discussed on this forum in the past, for example Bill Cooper and Mirelle's discussion of the problems of a large container ship leaving Felixstowe when a ship under sail is crossing the Estuary.
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Sounds like a lot of stupidity all round. No set of rules can ever cope with that. I would guess the writer has an axe to grind about yachts.
There have been more interesting hypothetical cases for IRPCS discussed on this forum in the past, for example Bill Cooper and Mirelle's discussion of the problems of a large container ship leaving Felixstowe when a ship under sail is crossing the Estuary.
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