Marked Diesel

[oldgit]

+1, Beta say an absolute maximum of 7% in their engine. What am I meant to do if the eco-nazis raise it to 8% ??

Sail ?

 

[Old Harry]

But many (all?) of their base engines are Kubota. Presumably these are in use all over the world in various plant/vehicles etc. with all sorts of varieties of fuel, including bio-diesel.

We dont want facts,Man, this is a Forum

 

[Old Harry]

I have the book handy, 7% now. Presumably we are the guinea pigs!

Quote: "Most diesel fuels contain up to a maximum limit of 7% of Biodiesel and this does not affect the engine warranty. Recent changes to specifications allow the addition of FAME Biodiesel EN14214:2009 to diesel... " Unquote.

It goes on to say bio gives more risk of bacteria, etc, and an interesting stipulation:

" If you use a higher percentage of Biofiesel, the fuel filter and oil filter must BOTH be changed together when the oil filter would normally be replaced" I don't know why that would be?

It would be interesting is any of our Continental members have any input on their white fuel with bio experiences

 

[BabaYaga]

It would be interesting is any of our Continental members have any input on their white fuel with bio experiences

The diesel sold to boaters where I'm based has been FAME-free for the last ten years or so.
However, my guess is that FAME as a means of reducing climate impact of diesel fuel is on its way out, in favour of HVO.
This piece of news is already three years old:
https://www.hydrocarbonprocessing.c...-and-citroën-accept-hvo-type-renewable-diesel

Edit: HVO is approved by Volvo Penta for all marine engines since about the same time:
https://nordicblog.volvopenta.com/hvo-environmental-friendly-fuel/

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

What colour is the diesel in Northern Ireland as I assume the law there is the same as here with the 60/40 split? Unless it's not![/

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Good point in some ways, plant will be using low sulphur fuel with bio, same as white diesel. But, will it all be sitting around in the tanks for months like boat fuel ? I suppose some of it will, of Farmer Giles parks his combine arvester up at the end of season it's going to sit there for months with bio in the tanks.

Be interesting to see what the long term affects of bio in Derv are.

Sorry to be drifting my own thread, but I should say that generally, Farmer Giles doesn't own a combine harvester. That kind of work, involving massive capital investment is normally done by contractors, as are many other agricultural activities, at least here in Ireland.

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

I have the book handy, 7% now. Presumably we are the guinea pigs!

Quote: "Most diesel fuels contain up to a maximum limit of 7% of Biodiesel and this does not affect the engine warranty. Recent changes to specifications allow the addition of FAME Biodiesel EN14214:2009 to diesel... " Unquote.

It goes on to say bio gives more risk of bacteria, etc, and an interesting stipulation:

" If you use a higher percentage of Biofiesel, the fuel filter and oil filter must BOTH be changed together when the oil filter would normally be replaced" I don't know why that would be?

I would normally change oil and all filters (except the air filter), as part of an annual service, same as the car.

 

[dom]

Good point in some ways, plant will be using low sulphur fuel with bio, same as white diesel. But, will it all be sitting around in the tanks for months like boat fuel ? I suppose some of it will, of Farmer Giles parks his combine arvester up at the end of season it's going to sit there for months with bio in the tanks.

Be interesting to see what the long term affects of bio in Derv are.

Hasn't bio-fuel been in UK derv since the 2008 Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation?

Derv is just an abbreviation for 'diesel-engined road vehicle', and in the UK it refers to unmarked duty-paid road diesel.

 

[duncan99210]

It would be interesting is any of our Continental members have any input on their white fuel with bio experiences

I’ve been using white diesel in the boat for 10 years now in Spain, Italy, France and Greece. It presumably has the normal percentage of biodiesel in it. I’ve had no problems whatsoever with the engine or the fuel system.
However, I do use about 2-300 litres of fuel a year so the turnover no doubt helps avoid the bug.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Sorry to be drifting my own thread, but I should say that generally, Farmer Giles doesn't own a combine harvester. That kind of work, involving massive capital investment is normally done by contractors, as are many other agricultural activities, at least here in Ireland.

Same in SW Scotland. I think it depends on the size of the farms. Most here are fairly small and probably only have a week's work for a combine in a year, so no point buying. It may look different on the featureless prairies of East Anglia.

 

[westhinder]

I’ve been using white diesel in the boat for 10 years now in Spain, Italy, France and Greece. It presumably has the normal percentage of biodiesel in it. I’ve had no problems whatsoever with the engine or the fuel system.
However, I do use about 2-300 litres of fuel a year so the turnover no doubt helps avoid the bug.

I have the same experience. I have been using white diesel since all (well, almost all) European countries switched over from red without any ill effects on the engine.
I did notice some black stuff in the tank 5 years ago, and subsequently had my diesel polished and the tank cleaned. The origin of the black stuff remains unknown. It has not returned since (touch wood).
My consumption is also at least 300 litres per year.

 

[lw395]

We use road diesel, we don't get through all that much, less than 100 litres a year.
We have no problems.
We are moderately care, ensuring the bottom of the tank is free of water a couple of times a year and generally not storing fuel longer than necessary, e.g. the tank is about 1/4 full now, which will mostly get used over the winter.
We don't add any biocides or snake oil.

I'm involved with another boat, which uses red diesel, last time I changed the fuel filter on that, there was a moderate amount of black slime in the filter, so we polished the tank contents. A bit of water and more slime, but nothing the filter wouldn't have coped with.

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

The diesel sold to boaters where I'm based has been FAME-free for the last ten years or so.
However, my guess is that FAME as a means of reducing climate impact of diesel fuel is on its way out, in favour of HVO.
This piece of news is already three years old:
https://www.hydrocarbonprocessing.c...-and-citroën-accept-hvo-type-renewable-diesel

Edit: HVO is approved by Volvo Penta for all marine engines since about the same time:
https://nordicblog.volvopenta.com/hvo-environmental-friendly-fuel/

"Hydro-treated", sounds like the fuel at the bottom of my tank

 

[Giblets]

That'll be fun when you need 2000 ltrs for your Gin palace.

No doubt all the local supermarket trolleys will be changed up now!

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Regarding the published list of ports where white diesel will be available in Ireland, I have no doubt that in Baltimore, Kieran Cotter will find a way to supply the unmarked fuel to leisure boaters