Marinas closing to visitors?

[Daydream believer]

How does one infect, by going for a sail, someone who is correctly self-isolating?

Well if one is returning to a marina then one will be circulating around that marina. Whilst some will take , what they think is care, some will not.
There was an item on the news the other day when a reporter stopped a guy & asked why he was out in the street,unnecessarily when the gov't had asked people to stay in. He replied "So what". When it was pointed out that he might infect others, he suggested that others should stay in instead.( that was the ghist of it)
If that is the attitude people are going to adopt- and they will, because one only has to see the response to the request not to panic buy- one cannot blame the govt for just forcing people to shut down, rather than asking. Same goes for your day sail. You have to return somewhere & then you start spreading ( or collecting) the virus

 

[stuartwineberg]

Why not name the marina? Suspicious.

Not at all. I like my marina and it’s staff and didn’t want to get them a bad name if they were doing something that was a one off. It’s a smaller marina in Portsmouth harbour. No conspiracies involved.

 

[stuartwineberg]

How does one infect, by going for a sail, someone who is correctly self-isolating?

That is really my thought as well. If and when I do go sailing it will be on the assumption I don’t go into whatever town I land at and ideally won’t use shoreside facilities. I can’t think of a more constructive form of social separation. I do differentiate from self isolation though, I see that as if I start coughing or if swmbo does then I won’t leave the house And will have to ask friends to shop for me.

 

[NormanS]

Well if one is returning to a marina then one will be circulating around that marina. Whilst some will take , what they think is care, some will not.
There was an item on the news the other day when a reporter stopped a guy & asked why he was out in the street,unnecessarily when the gov't had asked people to stay in. He replied "So what". When it was pointed out that he might infect others, he suggested that others should stay in instead.( that was the ghist of it)
If that is the attitude people are going to adopt- and they will, because one only has to see the response to the request not to panic buy- one cannot blame the govt for just forcing people to shut down, rather than asking. Same goes for your day sail. You have to return somewhere & then you start spreading ( or collecting) the virus

My understanding, and I may well be wrong, is that for healthy people, there is no restriction on being outside. What we have been told is that while it's alright to be outside for exercise etc, we are to avoid unnecessary close contact with other people. While this may be more challenging in cities, for those of us living in small towns and villages, it's no problem at all.

As it happens, I never use marinas, but launch my dinghy from the shore, and go out to my boat on her mooring. How is that putting the health of the general public at risk?

 

[Daydream believer]

As it happens, I never use marinas, but launch my dinghy from the shore, and go out to my boat on her mooring. How is that putting the health of the general public at risk?

I do not wish to argue with anyone. Only make some points. If you want further info, ask the Belgians why they have banned all water sports.
But I would also ask you how you get to your boat, what you do with your car & who touches it whilst you are on the boat. Where do you store your dinghy when finished, can others touch it? Is that travel really necessary? But you do as you wish. My comments were really made in respect of marina users.
I do sympathise. I for one, am currently making a new race mark for our yacht club ( at home) I will deliver it today. I may well take a safety boat trailer home for maintenance. I have also been working on 2 of my boats. Both clear of others. One is in the sailing club grounds & I have only seen one other person. So like you, I feel that I have possibly done no harm. However, I have not touched the gate or any other working part of the club. I have been carefull what I touch in the marina where my other boat is. Who knows if that is careless or not.

 

[Old Harry]

Well, mostly they do, but you have to go somewhere when being taught to sail.

I'm just a bit sick of people whining about what other people are getting up to, there's nothing like a covid lockdown for bringing out the stasi.

Anyone who closes any marina to visitors is just a twat. End of. It's part of the basic enjoyment of the sport.

No different to learner drivers being instructed to reverse in Smkt car parks & possible damage to my car

 

[NormanS]

I do not wish to argue with anyone. Only make some points. If you want further info, ask the Belgians why they have banned all water sports.
But I would also ask you how you get to your boat, what you do with your car & who touches it whilst you are on the boat. Where do you store your dinghy when finished, can others touch it? Is that travel really necessary? But you do as you wish. My comments were really made in respect of marina users.
I do sympathise. I for one, am currently making a new race mark for our yacht club ( at home) I will deliver it today. I may well take a safety boat trailer home for maintenance. I have also been working on 2 of my boats. Both clear of others. One is in the sailing club grounds & I have only seen one other person. So like you, I feel that I have possibly done no harm. However, I have not touched the gate or any other working part of the club. I have been carefull what I touch in the marina where my other boat is. Who knows if that is careless or not.

I'm not sure that Belgium, with a coastline of about the same length of that of some Scottish lochs, is a relevant example to follow. ?

 

[capnsensible]

I still don't see that school boats are necessarily worse than owners boats.

School boats are under the guidance of experienced instructors who have been in and out of all sorts of berths hundreds of times. A huge number more than the average owner. There is nothing wrong with that. Owners dont do it full time for a living. You always get oe or two 'you cant do that around here' types. But they are generally short sighted and usually so unsure of their own abilities that they think everyone else is the same.

Like everything in yachting, practice, practice, practice.

 

[capnsensible]

Personally. Im unable to keep up my practice at the moment because every marina in the Canaries is closed. In fact Im required by law to stay indoors like everyone else here. Which is why there have only been 3 cases on this particular island and no deaths.

Respect you fellows dudes!!

 

[mjcoon]

How does one infect, by going for a sail, someone who is correctly self-isolating?

That reminds me of a simple rule that my late mother taught us: "Consider what it would be like if everyone did what you propose to do". Underlying precept: there is nothing special about you: same rules for everyone!

Mike.

 

[chubby]

Am I being optimistic? Boat is on a swinging mooring and I can launch my dinghy without any human contact or contact with anything else, wouldn't visit marinas as no pubs etc to go to, just daysail or anchor. The government has suggested outdoor exercise can actually be good, cycling was mentioned by the deputy chief medical officer at yesterdays press conference, so is what I envisage, single handed , feasible and responsible?

The boat is ashore but the yard want to continue with the launching schedule whilst they can and due to go in during the coming week, is it as well off afloat on a swinging mooring, ie no lines or fenders to check, as ashore if it has to be left.

 

[Skylark]

My marina has closed its office to all visitors. We are discouraged to visit but the boatyard remains open. Should we visit, we are requested to respect social distancing. Additional sanitising products have been installed in the toilet block. Launches will go ahead as planned but owners are asked to keep away. Boats will be launched and berthed by yard staff. Their communication doesn't specifically mention visiting boats as it's addressed to berth-holders.

 

[doug748]

Am I being optimistic? Boat is on a swinging mooring and I can launch my dinghy without any human contact or contact with anything else, wouldn't visit marinas as no pubs etc to go to, just daysail or anchor. The government has suggested outdoor exercise can actually be good, cycling was mentioned by the deputy chief medical officer at yesterdays press conference, so is what I envisage, single handed , feasible and responsible?

The boat is ashore but the yard want to continue with the launching schedule whilst they can and due to go in during the coming week, is it as well off afloat on a swinging mooring, ie no lines or fenders to check, as ashore if it has to be left.

Any shutdown (personally I think it is quite likely) will probably put the block on sailing completely. For two reasons:

- It's the only way the matter can be policed.

- It would be intolerable for people to be seen swanning about on pleasure boats when the rest are confined to barracks.

Public health matters have to be taken in the round. Although you and I can walk to our boats and affect nobody at all, in general water sports will be seen as contributing to overall risk. Hard cases make bad law.

I will be leaving my boat ashore in the hope things may be better late May but I won't be banking on it. I will silently be visiting the boat to work (sit!) on it regardless. However I think we must be braced for legislation

 

[JumbleDuck]

Well if one is returning to a marina then one will be circulating around that marina. Whilst some will take , what they think is care, some will not.
There was an item on the news the other day when a reporter stopped a guy & asked why he was out in the street,unnecessarily when the gov't had asked people to stay in. He replied "So what". When it was pointed out that he might infect others, he suggested that others should stay in instead.( that was the ghist of it)
If that is the attitude people are going to adopt- and they will, because one only has to see the response to the request not to panic buy- one cannot blame the govt for just forcing people to shut down, rather than asking. Same goes for your day sail. You have to return somewhere & then you start spreading ( or collecting) the virus

You miss my point, which perhaps means it wasn't a good one. Sure, people who don't self-isolate can pass the Bug of Doom onto other people who don't self-isolate. It's harder to see how they can pass it on to people who are safely shut away.

 

[Daydream believer]

I'm not sure that Belgium, with a coastline of about the same length of that of some Scottish lochs, is a relevant example to follow. ?

Surely the reasoning is similar. There are sections of coast where people can swim, sunbathe & sail dinghies, distant from others. They can even wear kilts if they so desire ( although that might be considered a good enough reason to lock them up anyway )

 

[JumbleDuck]

That reminds me of a simple rule that my late mother taught us: "Consider what it would be like if everyone did what you propose to do". Underlying precept: there is nothing special about you: same rules for everyone!

My crew's music teacher has an underlying health condition which puts her in one of the highest risk groups for COVID-19. You're surely not proposing that she should have to queue at the Co-Op for food with the rest of us, are you? "Same rules for everyone" would see every lorry driver, supermarket worker, doctor and farmer in the country staying at home full time.

 

[Daydream believer]

You miss my point, which perhaps means it wasn't a good one. Sure, people who don't self-isolate can pass the Bug of Doom onto other people who don't self-isolate. It's harder to see how they can pass it on to people who are safely shut away.

But one is not " shut away" when one leaves or returns, is one?
Then if you do it, what is there to say others cannot? Then where do we go. Panic sailing perhaps ( you know what? I might be persuaded to join in on that one ) At what point does it become more unsafe than just you doing it. Because - & I say this with the greatest of respect-I doubt that you would be as quite as safe as you think.

 

[capnsensible]

Coincidentally, I just been talking on facebook (what a wonderful assest when properly used). He works in a UK marina.

Now this is what he thinks and is not marina policy. And Im the messenger, OK.

So, his job is to look after your boats. He is employed to do that and is a capable professional. You stay away, your boats will be safe. You go there and infect him and the other staff, your boat wont be looked after.

My yacht is in a Canarian marina. A 15 minute walk and there is some stuff on there I could do with. But I got no choice, we are locked down. And the marina staff are extremely good. Message ends.

I trust them and you dudes may be happier if you extended your trust to those who are working on your behalf and not indulge in fiddling whilst Rome burns. He is also concerned about his sister who is a very qualified nurse and working extra shifts. Makes sense to me to stay put. But the last is my opinion.

Stay safe.

 

[Motor_Sailor]

So, his job is to look after your boats. He is employed to do that and is a capable professional. You stay away, your boats will be safe.

I like your confidence - sadly this isn' the case at all marinas in my experience. Some you would have to describe as being utterly indifferent to the well being of the boats in their 'care'.

 

[mjcoon]

My crew's music teacher has an underlying health condition which puts her in one of the highest risk groups for COVID-19. You're surely not proposing that she should have to queue at the Co-Op for food with the rest of us, are you? "Same rules for everyone" would see every lorry driver, supermarket worker, doctor and farmer in the country staying at home full time.

"Same rule " does not mean extracting a portion of a rule. If activities are enumerated, that is part of the rule and the complete rule is applied. I became a logician and programmer; my mother didn't...

Mike.