Marinas and collisions

What term is most commonly used

  • Fore Peak

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  • Fore Cabin

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  • "Forrid Cabin"

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  • In the bow

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  • Up front

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  • Other (please do tell)

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I was quietly enjoying a G&T after a hectic evening at a conference in the Netherlands when my mobile rang. The first few words sent a chill down my back.

'This is xxx at xxxxxxxxxxge marina are you the owner of xxxxxx? I regret to inform you that your boat has been damaged by one of our charter boats.

It transpired that two YMOs were leaving their berth on a windy day so chose to go hard astern, at speed they passed close by my boat whereon the helmsman let go the wheel, the rudder went hard over and they ran into my boat at speed doing considerable damage to my Hydrovane, the lazarette, the pushpit and the stern bulwarks. Thereby delaying my families departure on holiday and causing considerable anger.

My anger would have bene reduced greatly if the culprits had called to apologise. They left it to the owner.

I know who they are and hope to hear from them.

I can understand that there are insurance implications, but it is now over two weeks since the incident and their insurance company has accepted the responsibility and ordered repairs; surely a call would have not been too difficult?

Incidentally they managed to hit me uptide and upwind of them and they appear not to even have had the engine in ahead for more than a few seconds at the time of collision. One witness reports that they must have been doing nearly 4 knots at impact.

What do you think these two yachmasters should do? Should it be reported to the MAIB?
 
Did you consider approaching the charter Co. to negotiate the use of one of their boats while your's is being repaired or at least for compensation for the loss of your holiday?

What would you expect the MAIB to do? Revoke their YM tickets?

Scotland?, Marina?, Charter boats? The incident didn't happen in Largs by any chance?
 
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If you were enjoying a G&T that might make you drunk in charge!

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Ken
You might find he would be drunk in charge of a conference /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
I can understand your annoyance at the apparent lack of courtesy, but does that justify calling in the MAIB? Given that the MAIB has "the sole objective of investigating an accident is to determine its circumstances and causes, with the aim of improving the safety of life at sea and the avoidance of accidents in the future", what would be the point, other than to advise people to be more careful?

Re the poll, I'm a little bit surprised that more than 3:1 agree with the proposition of calling in the MAIB who, I suspect, have got rather more to do than "investigating" handling errors in close quarters. Or have I misunderstood the issue?

As to PowerSlapper's question about Largs, perhaps "xxxxxxxxxxge marina" is a bit of a giveaway. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Certainly narrows down the charter company down a bit. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
er, are you serious about calling the MAIB? Sounds total overkill and you'll look a bit of ninny, imho.

It also sounds as though repairs are in hand at no cost to you. What do you want now? It *seems* you want the actual helmspeople in question to call and cravenly grovel to you, begging your forgiveness.

I agree that good manners are always welcome - but can you spend "sorry"? I can't. In my experience, the apology is actually pretty useless and only addresses your anger which would cure itself in time anyway.

Much better to have the boat fixed.
 
Whilst I was absent from my boat(steel) it was ramed and ahole made in the topsides,in noway endangering the boat.The culprit in fact suffered injury from an unexpected stop.If ti had not been for the marina I would never have realised it had happened ,unless looking from a dinghy.The culprit contacted me and all was well except I was really considerate with him,being an accident etc etc,I really think he want me to tell him off as he did his best to avoid me afterwards!
 
Either this was a reportable accident or it wasn't. The MAIB website includes directions to the relevant regulations. There's no room for being 'gracious' - you're bound by the law...

I really don't see what's wrong... It's the boat's owner who's responsible for its insurance, and he seems to have discharged his responsibilities very satisfactorily. The skipper did the right thing too, and saw to it that you were informed.

We all see (and many of us do) silly things in marinas... Sometimes, they result in damage. If only all the collisions had outcomes as satisfactory as this one!
 
No, you shouldn't report it and by not reporting it you are NOT being gracious, just normal.

Not sure I would phone if I were in their shoes. They reported it to those who matter so did the right thing. Insurance is taking care of it so what's the problem. I assume they don't know you so have no relationship to uphold. No one was hurt so only material damage.

Accidents happen......
 
to KevB,

A bit surprised about your response. I would say it's perfectly normal to apologize about the damage they created. After all, even if the insurance pays for the damage, you know as well as I do that they won't pay for all the trouble you're faced with to rectify the situation.
To show some form of regret to the owner of the boat you've messed up is the least you can do I would say. Boats are not the cheapest toys to maintain, so for all they know the owner could be devistated to see what has happend to his (or hers) boat.

I'm not saying you should make it into a formal thing. But I can imagine it would help the unfornunate owner to receive some sympathy.
 
If they were YMOs then why couldn't they have have thier 'Tickets' taken off them. By its very nature you are supposed to competant in all that you do, assess the situation, and plan/act accordinly. Sounds like they didn't.

If this is the case, and there are witnesses, they should hauled over the coals and have thier tickets revoked for a couple of months and made to resit the YM practicle exams again.

If you you cock-it up up in the MN you can have your ticket removed or downgraded for a couple of years. Thats what the MAIB is for. If you are concerned report them and make sure the RYA act on it. There are too many 'plastic yacht masters out there!

Your YM ticket isn't a god given right, you earn it, look after it and respect others.
 
helloowe (in a terry thomas type of way)

and welcome /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif to the forum (ummmm /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif)
 
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If you you cock-it up up in the MN you can have your ticket removed or downgraded for a couple of years. Thats what the MAIB is for

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And whilst were at it I saw Michael Schumacher speeding around a track maybe he should have his license endorsed?

How can you compare a 'cockup' whilst at WORK in the MN to a bit of a bump in a marina on a PLEASURE yacht?

Don't accidents happen anymore? If someone was injured an apology may be necessary but to expect one because of a dent in a bit of fiberglass, well....
 
Oh come on......

If the standard practice for having a bump in a marina was to remove someone's ticket, then we'd either have most of the qualified sailing nation without tickets half the time, or no-one would ever want to leave a marina in anything other than F4 or less, or only at slack water.....

Mind you, thats assuming that anyone gives a fig about the tickets to start with.....
 
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If you you cock-it up up in the MN you can have your ticket removed or downgraded for a couple of years. Thats what the MAIB is for.

[/ QUOTE ]Errm, I don't think the MAIB agrees with that view - <ul type="square"> "It is not the purpose to apportion liability, nor, except so far as is necessary to achieve the fundamental purpose, to apportion blame.

We do not enforce laws or carry out prosecutions."
[/list] There was also no obligation to even notify the MAIB (in the case of the original incident).
 
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I would say it's perfectly normal to apologize about the damage they created

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If the owner was there of course or if you 'ran' into them on another occasion but not for the sake of it. I'd just be thankful they reported it at all.
 
sgeir is absolutely right. The MAIB have no formal powers other than to investigate (in this respect they have rather more powers than the police do). This is vital to their continued work as an unbiased investigative organisation, and to getting to the bottom (no pun intended) of accidents at sea.

Regarding this case, here's what Annex A to MGN 289 states:
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2. Accidents involving or occurring on board -
(a) a pleasure vessel
(b) a recreational craft hired on a bareboat basis
(c) any other craft or boat, other than one carrying passengers, which is in commercial use in a
harbour or on an inland waterway and is less than 8m in length
do not need to be reported to the MAIB, unless the accident involves
i. explosion
ii. fire
iii. death
iv. major injury
v. capsize of a power-driven craft or boat, or
vi. pollution causing significant harm to the environment </span>

So, there's no requirement to report. If reported, I can't imagine that the MAIB would investigate, though the Chief Inspector of Marine Accidents would have powers to do so if he wished.
 
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"xxxxxxxxxxge marina" is a bit of a giveaway. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Certainly narrows down the charter company down a bit. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Might that be 4x by any chance?
 
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