Malicous pollution by a Yachsman.

[rotrax]

First Mate and I left Carrickfergus yesterday morning and made passage to Strangford Lough. We picked up a Down Cruising Club mooring in Ballyhenry Bay just above Portaferry.

Shortly after we were hooked up and refreshed with coffee and cake a local white yacht, 27-30 footer perhaps, struggling against the tide without an engine, was towed to the mooring 100 metres in front of us by a motorboat.

As the crew from the sailboat boarded the motorboat one threw two empty sandwich plastic triangles and an empty crisp packet into the pristine waters of the Lough, a place of great beauty and enviromentally protected.

How can anyone these days be so casually destructive?

Familiararity breeding contempt perhaps. Too far away to see the yachts name. If we swing and I get the bins out I shall Name and Shame!

 

[DFL1010]

I'd be tempted row over and return the items to their cockpit, but that'd probably just delay the issue rather than solve it unfortunately.

 

[fredrussell]

As a species, we’re doomed really.

 

[syvictoria]

As a species, we’re doomed really.

+1.

Name and shame them.

 

[Adios]

On a Devon beach the other day a large family group packed up and left at the end of the day and we later saw they'd left a huge amount of rubbish. Two points I thought interesting were that there were a lot of them so not even one of them was any better than the rest. And the dad of the group was wearing large union jack shorts. My kids were confused by this so I had to explain people who make the flag into something to sit on and fart through clearly hate the country hence their behaviour trying to spoil beautiful parts of it.

 

[DownWest]

As a species, we’re doomed really.

Huge numbers expect the state to 'take care' of them, while they don't do the basic things to help. It will not end well.

 

[Clancy Moped]

First Mate and I left Carrickfergus yesterday morning and made passage to Strangford Lough. We picked up a Down Cruising Club mooring in Ballyhenry Bay just above Portaferry.

Shortly after we were hooked up and refreshed with coffee and cake a local white yacht, 27-30 footer perhaps, struggling against the tide without an engine, was towed to the mooring 100 metres in front of us by a motorboat.

As the crew from the sailboat boarded the motorboat one threw two empty sandwich plastic triangles and an empty crisp packet into the pristine waters of the Lough, a place of great beauty and enviromentally protected.

How can anyone these days be so casually destructive?

Familiararity breeding contempt perhaps. Too far away to see the yachts name. If we swing and I get the bins out I shall Name and Shame!

Did you have a word with them?

 

[DownWest]

Digressing a bit.. The huge amounts of trash left after festivals, when the participants probably support all sorts of woke subjects, but not their own doorsteps.

 

[RobbieW]

Similar problem on the Hamble about a month ago. Was following a launch called iirc Keeper 1, one POB who threw a crisp packet and orange peel over the side. Words were exchanged

 

[SaltyC]

Huge numbers expect the state to 'take care' of them, while they don't do the basic things to help. It will not end well.

AGREED. Had a walk today,part down a rivate road to a water authority treatment works. Mc 'Rubbish' seen at the side of the road. Unfortunately the youngsters (<40) feel we have ruined the environment.

 

[dankilb]

Digressing a bit.. The huge amounts of trash left after festivals, when the participants probably support all sorts of woke subjects, but not their own doorsteps.

Bit different that… a commercial festival will have the means to dispose of leftover waste and although that doesn’t excuse people leaving it, at least there’s a high probability (indeed responsibility) that the site be returned to as it was found (paid for by the ‘woke subjects’’ ticket revenue, whoever those terrifying sounding freedom takers might be - and I’m sure not the OP!). Chuck it in the sea and obviously it has no chance of being dealt with.

 

[Black Sheep]

Digressing a bit.. The huge amounts of trash left after festivals, when the participants probably support all sorts of woke subjects, but not their own doorsteps.

People go to festivals.
Some people who go to festivals support "woke subjects"
Some people who go to festivals leave trash.
Some people might try to claim that those who leave trash are the very same people that support "woke subjects", and then leap to the conclusion that this proves that everyone who supports "woke subjects" is some kind of antisocial litter lout.
But luckily, I know you're wiser than that.
Which is a relief, really.

 

[johnalison]

People go to festivals.
Some people who go to festivals support "woke subjects"
Some people who go to festivals leave trash.
Some people might try to claim that those who leave trash are the very same people that support "woke subjects", and then leap to the conclusion that this proves that everyone who supports "woke subjects" is some kind of antisocial litter lout.
But luckily, I know you're wiser than that.
Which is a relief, really.

That is disingenuous. The people who go to ‘festivals’ constitute a community and it is not unreasonable to treat them as a unit. There will be people who support environmental objectives and keep to them, others who don’t care either way, and a fair number of potential hypocrites whose actions do not confirm what they purport to express.

 

[newtothis]

That is disingenuous. The people who go to ‘festivals’ constitute a community and it is not unreasonable to treat them as a unit. There will be people who support environmental objectives and keep to them, others who don’t care either way, and a fair number of potential hypocrites whose actions do not confirm what they purport to express.

By that argument, sailors are a "community". More than one, by the evidence in this thread has thrown trash in the oggin. Using your logic, any whiny environmentally minded sailor is a hypocrite.

 

[johnalison]

By that argument, sailors are a "community". More than one, by the evidence in this thread has thrown trash in the oggin. Using your logic, any whiny environmentally minded sailor is a hypocrite.

You are missing the point, possibly deliberately. We, as sailors, are indeed a community, and the sadness expressed by the OP shows that we are capable of making our feelings about the occasional miscreant clear. Sailing has the capacity to cause environmental harm, but over the years I have seen great progress in trying to counter this, such as control on A/F run-off, and the general abandonment of discarding waste in the seas. Although there is still much to be done, the many thousands who sail create nothing like the mayhem that we see reported from these so-called festivals and I see nothing of the disconnect between pretension and reality among the great majority of sailors that I see around, and the point about festival-goers' false pretensions seems well made, when Saint Greta is worshipped by the creators of rubbish dumps.

 

[newtothis]

the mayhem that we see reported from these so-called festivals and I see nothing of the disconnect between pretension and reality among the great majority of sailors that I see around, and the point about festival-goers' false pretensions seems well made, when Saint Greta is worshipped by the creators of rubbish dumps.

Live by the Daily Mail, call everything that's happened since 1990 "woke", and then take a pop at a young person raising awareness about climate change.
Okay.

 

[Wansworth]

Seeing a fag thrown out of a car window or waste just dropped on the ground just fills me with sadness,I have on various occassions when culprit looks like he cannot beat the shite out of me accosted people but met with abuse or blank misunderstanding,which may be worse

 

[PeterV]

I’ve just had the opposite. Motoring into the Hamble a sailing school yacht came past and someone shouted out something like ‘do you think it’s OK to chuck your rubbish in the sea’. As I was baffled he then explained that he’d just watched me ditch a large amount of gash overboard. I hadn’t, I didn’t have any gash aboard and still have no idea what he saw, or thinks he saw. He could however be naming my boat and shaming me on social media!

 

[Davy_S]

We are quite used to seeing McDonalds cartons and plastic bottles being thrown out of car windows, also dog walkers park and allow their rubbish to fall out of the car, my faith in human nature was restored last week, we watched a family of Pakistanis park, then have a picnic on the dogwalkers toilet green , afterwards the parents made the children pick up every scrap of rubbish and place it in the bin, it was nice to see, if only everyone cared so much!

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Digressing a bit.. The huge amounts of trash left after festivals, when the participants probably support all sorts of woke subjects, but not their own doorsteps.

The promoters do employ a clean-up crew.