Major River Teign Boatyard given Marching Orders

[Capt Popeye]

Hi not really sure which best Forum to post this info in, so doing it here, for now.

Down here in the South West on the River Teign, the Major Boatyard has apparently been given 'Marching Orders' by the Landlords, a significant local Company who only aquired the Land a few years ago from the Gas Board, as the land was owned by the Gas Board for generations, but the whole site was cleared and mainly leveled off then used by a Boat Builder for general Boat storage, boat building, plus ancillary boat related uses, for many many years.

The recent site owners have an application in for total redevelopment, to include Housing, Beach Huts, small business workshops, etc, intending, they say, to retain some of the local businesses already using their site but evicting the others, which include the Major Boat Yard proprietor; He was given about 3 months to go, no compensation by the site owners was either offered or agreed to when asked ?

But as the events emerge, it became clear that the Landlords are intent on retaining some of the Boatyards clients after their leaving as a list of prices /costs is expected to emerge in September, but the core of the Boatyards heavy lifting and tranporting equipment is expected to go to new premises not to far away.

The question about the Yard Laid river moorings has arrisen, I understand that the Landlord is expecting those moorings to be taken away from the Boat Yard proprietor and handed to him by the Harbour Authority, which is interesting, as the Boatyard proprietor has a contract till march running and clients on those moorings. Plus the mooring have been laid by the Boat Yard proprietor.

The landlord has stated verbally and its shown on the Planning application that some boat craft can be stored on the new site, but as the new development buildings take up over half the available ground its pretty plain to see that Boat activities will be severley curtailed, but a replacement Slipway is on the plans.

All in all its left a lot of us with a sour taste in our mouths, as the Boatyard is the ONLY yard of its size left able to take Motor Cruisers and Yachts especially those requiring long term restoration; the other boat sheds are really small scale pleasure craft, where 'tityvating' as such can be aquired.

Its another 'nail in the coffin' of Teignmouths long heritage of Boat Building, the Morgan Giles yard closed up some years ago now, its site being Retirement Flats and housing, retaining the main slipway, but, alas, no Morgan Giles boats to adorn it.

 

[sarabande]

It's worth opening discussions with the Marine Management Organisation as changes to anything affecting the sea bed require extensive consultation and meetings.


Who is the ground landlord ? Duchy ?

 

[oz-1]

Hi Capt Popeye, i think the yard your'e mentioning is Chris Humphries. I haven't personally used them, but a lot of my fellow boaters have and they have always praised the yard for it's facilities and resonable prices, it will be a real shame if it was to go. I also remember Morgan Giles yard with it's big slipway. After they went the site was taken over by a firm building catamarans, i think they were heavenly twins, but not 100% sure. I emigrated to Canada, but came back home after 9 years. Visiting the yard i was surprised to see it had been transformed into a block of flats, only the slipway remaining. Unfortunately nothing stays the same forever, except in our memories.

 

[Capt Popeye]

Ahoy oz-1 thank you yes, was the Chris Humphries yard after the Gas Site was first demolished; they built a number of Local Fishing and Angling type boats, many are stiil sailing in local waters; Whilst Chris Humphries ran the site a Marine Engine Repairs and overhauls company, started up there, and ran for many many years (about 25 i think ) they then became the 'Riverside Boatyard' , they are the main company now under eviction

 

[Capt Popeye]

It's worth opening discussions with the Marine Management Organisation as changes to anything affecting the sea bed require extensive consultation and meetings.


Who is the ground landlord ? Duchy ?

Ahoy Mr Sarabande thank you for that info, will act on it today.

The River Teign comes under the usuall river bed and forshore controls leased to the Harbour Authority for Moorings and Port controls etc; as we are in Devon the Cornwall Duchy are not involved, as I understand it

Thank you

 

[Tomahawk]

Chalk that one up to another failure of the so-called planning system.

Years ago some bright spark came up with the idea that all the housing should be on brownfield land. Brownfield land includes boatyards and factories. The planning system is putting people out of work and destroying important facilities in order to preserve land in set-aside. Thus in the minds of council workers, i t is better to build on a boatyard that offers a very significant facility to a lot of people than build houses on a bit of countryside.

But if you try to make any comment, you are up against the might of the CPRE, conspiracy of the privileged Rurel elite. With spokesmen like .chris Packham, they will stop at nothing to prevent any housing going on undeveloped land until ever factory and other land use has been converted to housing and everyone who used to work there has been put out of work.

 

[rotrax]

Someone needs to find some Seahorses, Newts, Bats and rare lizards a bit quick.

There was a bloke in South London who could provide Great Crested Newts for reasonable money...........................

 

[NotBirdseye]

Chalk that one up to another failure of the so-called planning system.

Years ago some bright spark came up with the idea that all the housing should be on brownfield land. Brownfield land includes boatyards and factories. The planning system is putting people out of work and destroying important facilities in order to preserve land in set-aside. Thus in the minds of council workers, i t is better to build on a boatyard that offers a very significant facility to a lot of people than build houses on a bit of countryside.

But if you try to make any comment, you are up against the might of the CPRE, conspiracy of the privileged Rurel elite. With spokesmen like .chris Packham, they will stop at nothing to prevent any housing going on undeveloped land until ever factory and other land use has been converted to housing and everyone who used to work there has been put out of work.

All new development should be on brownfield land. We don't need to build out we need to build up... or down (down with pollution... literally).

Sadly due to how we currently design flats or apartments no one really wants anything to do with them. Very little garden area, less parking, dodgy lifts, little noise cancellation...

Green Belt land should be protected for the enjoyment of future generations.

 

[matt1]

A continuation of the slippery slope! I note Premier Marinas are now promoting "Houseboats" which will permanently occupy marina berths. I guess there is more money to be made that way than visiting or permanent berth holders. If we aren't careful a lot of maritime heritage will be lost and there will be fewer marinas to visit. Good to see some, like Lymington and Yarmouth at least investing in facilities. Too easy to turn prime water front into real estate to make a quick buck. Anyone know the story behind Dean & Redyhoff's exit from the market?

 

[Lucky Duck]

I thought D&R has simply re-branded following the merger?

In terms of making a quick return - the plans to remove the hardstanding and associated facilities at Mercury and replace it with housing is a prime example.

 

[Capt Popeye]

Ahoy all, thank you for your contributions so far; a twist in the Self Publicity Machine that the Company flies is a statement that suitable provision for Boat Storage, Workshops etc will be included in the master plan; but thos is clearly not possible if about half the site is given over to New Builds; but what in reality I fear is that the Land Owners are actually taking over the business of the Riverside Boatyard by stealth, adding the boat Storage facilities plus possibly the river moorings laid by the Boatyard Owner and not giving any compensation to the deposed Boatyard Owner ?

The core business of the Landowner is Marine Build and Works involving heavy Marine Plant and Divers engaged in Welding fabrications off shore and inshore, like replenishing the Sea Walls and Bridge Supports; word has it that the Company is suffering from the present layoffs due to the Virus.

So just perhaps a Boatyard mainly for storage and longer term repairs and restoration can provide a regular stable Monthly income with very little effort on the part of the Landowners, especially as the Boatyard all ready has many regular customers ?

 

[matt1]

I thought D&R has simply re-branded following the merger?

In terms of making a quick return - the plans to remove the hardstanding and associated facilities at Mercury and replace it with housing is a prime example.

Yeah, what happened to that? Seems to have died a death? And what about the housing at Swanwick hardstanding?

 

[Tomahawk]

All new development should be on brownfield land. We don't need to build out we need to build up... or down (down with pollution... literally).

Sadly due to how we currently design flats or apartments no one really wants anything to do with them. Very little garden area, less parking, dodgy lifts, little noise cancellation...

Green Belt land should be protected for the enjoyment of future generations.

When you repeat the slogan that all development should be on brownfield land, you reinforce the demand to destroy all and every boatyard business in favour of housing . In fact that is the subject of this very thread. The loss of another boatyard in favour of housing.

Where will your grandchildren learn to sail when there are no marinas or boatyards because you demanded they should all be turned to housing estates?

PS, there is no green belt in Teignmouth.

 

[NotBirdseye]

In this case it happened because the owner of the land sold up and that's just the way things go. Boatyards that own their own land aren't subject to quite the same problems. Land that can be developed into something more profitable, will be developed into something more profitable... if it is being operated for profit that is. What you could consider is investing in a co-operative to make a boat yard... in this case elsewhere. Capitalism is both cruel yet fair, it takes away our memories, but gives us opportunities to make new ones.

...I know, I've been . Preferred a bit further up the coast or on the other side of the river myself!

 

[Capt Popeye]

In this case it happened because the owner of the land sold up and that's just the way things go. Boatyards that own their own land aren't subject to quite the same problems. Land that can be developed into something more profitable, will be developed into something more profitable... if it is being operated for profit that is. What you could consider is investing in a co-operative to make a boat yard... in this case elsewhere. Capitalism is both cruel yet fair, it takes away our memories, but gives us opportunities to make new ones.

...I know, I've been . Preferred a bit further up the coast or on the other side of the river myself!

Hi there; in the case I am highlighting, the recent Land Owners, a Company operating in heavy engineering projects, bought the land from a Gas Company who did have Chris Humphries Boatyard operating a Boat Yard on the land before it was sold off by Gas Company; the presnt Boatyard, Riverside Boatyard, was granted permission to contnue Trading as a Boatyard by the Heavy Engineering Company when they purchased the Land.
What has happened is that the Heavy Engineering Company have given notice to Riverside Boatyard to vacate the land, owing to a Planning Application for redevelopment to include Housing and a few Small Workshops, some selected existing workshops have been asked to stay a while, others been given notice to leave.
What is very galling is that the heavy Engineering Company appear to be starting to operate as a Boatyard as well and appear to be asking existing Boatowners to stay and start paying them ?

 

[Capt Popeye]

Someone needs to find some Seahorses, Newts, Bats and rare lizards a bit quick.

There was a bloke in South London who could provide Great Crested Newts for reasonable money...........................

Well funny that you should say that, the other late evening, I am sure that i saw a Bat, an unusuall variety, flying out of the derelict ex Gas Works buildings, recall saying that to a friend ?

 

[Riverside Boatyard]

Sadly 'Captain Popeye' has got this completely wrong. Riverside Boatyard has been under new management since October 2020 and is continuing to operate as a boat storage facility with no plans for that to change.

 

[LadyInBed]

Riverside Boatyard has been under new management since October 2020 and is continuing to operate as a boat storage facility with no plans for that to change.

Glad to hear that.

 

[Riverside Boatyard]

Hi not really sure which best Forum to post this info in, so doing it here, for now.

Down here in the South West on the River Teign, the Major Boatyard has apparently been given 'Marching Orders' by the Landlords, a significant local Company who only aquired the Land a few years ago from the Gas Board, as the land was owned by the Gas Board for generations, but the whole site was cleared and mainly leveled off then used by a Boat Builder for general Boat storage, boat building, plus ancillary boat related uses, for many many years.

The recent site owners have an application in for total redevelopment, to include Housing, Beach Huts, small business workshops, etc, intending, they say, to retain some of the local businesses already using their site but evicting the others, which include the Major Boat Yard proprietor; He was given about 3 months to go, no compensation by the site owners was either offered or agreed to when asked ?

But as the events emerge, it became clear that the Landlords are intent on retaining some of the Boatyards clients after their leaving as a list of prices /costs is expected to emerge in September, but the core of the Boatyards heavy lifting and tranporting equipment is expected to go to new premises not to far away.

The question about the Yard Laid river moorings has arrisen, I understand that the Landlord is expecting those moorings to be taken away from the Boat Yard proprietor and handed to him by the Harbour Authority, which is interesting, as the Boatyard proprietor has a contract till march running and clients on those moorings. Plus the mooring have been laid by the Boat Yard proprietor.

The landlord has stated verbally and its shown on the Planning application that some boat craft can be stored on the new site, but as the new development buildings take up over half the available ground its pretty plain to see that Boat activities will be severley curtailed, but a replacement Slipway is on the plans.

All in all its left a lot of us with a sour taste in our mouths, as the Boatyard is the ONLY yard of its size left able to take Motor Cruisers and Yachts especially those requiring long term restoration; the other boat sheds are really small scale pleasure craft, where 'tityvating' as such can be aquired.

Its another 'nail in the coffin' of Teignmouths long heritage of Boat Building, the Morgan Giles yard closed up some years ago now, its site being Retirement Flats and housing, retaining the main slipway, but, alas, no Morgan Giles boats to adorn it.

I would suggest you look at the plans before posting incorrect details in the public domain, you certainly need to find yourself a more reliable source of information. Riverside is still operating as a boat storage facility and will continue to do so when the yard is redeveloped.

 

[Riverside Boatyard]

Ahoy oz-1 thank you yes, was the Chris Humphries yard after the Gas Site was first demolished; they built a number of Local Fishing and Angling type boats, many are stiil sailing in local waters; Whilst Chris Humphries ran the site a Marine Engine Repairs and overhauls company, started up there, and ran for many many years (about 25 i think ) they then became the 'Riverside Boatyard' , they are the main company now under eviction

The previous tenant was given a more than fair 5 months to relocate his business.