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I am currently interested in finding a 28-30 ft boat with twin 200hp Volvo diesel engines with z drives, and wish to ask some advice in regards to the maintenance required for such. What annual maintenance would be required (like oil & filters etc...) and also what any other periodical maintenance is required (like bellows, turbos and injectors etc....)? Any estimates of how much such works would cost would be appreciated. Many thanks.
 
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Possibly depends on what sort of boat it is and what you want to use it for.
Many smaller boats were simply never produced with anything other than outdrives, so no other choice.
When inspecting the boat you really need to worry 90% about the drive train, has it been maintained properly.
The older the boat the more you need to satisfy yourself that the present owner and to a lesser extent previous owners have religously followed the outdrive servicing otherwise you could be picking up their bills.
Engines can suffer a bit more neglect before biting back.
It would help if you could give few more details, the model of outdrives and the type of boat and its power units.

Newer outdrives,we are assured by those who have them are much more reliable.

There is lot of experience on here that could make sure you enjoy your new boat and avoid the pitfalls that await the unwary. :)
Three promises..
The cheque is in the post..............
Of course I'll still love you in the morning...............
The outdrives were fully serviced last year ..............
 
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Possibly depends on what sort of boat it is and what you want to use it for.
Many smaller boats were simply never produced with anything other than outdrives, so no other choice.
When inspecting the boat you really need to worry 90% about the drive train, has it been maintained properly.
The older the boat the more you need to satisfy yourself that the present owner and to a lesser extent previous owners have religously followed the outdrive servicing otherwise you could be picking up their bills.
Engines can suffer a bit more neglect before biting back.
It would help if you could give few more details, the model of outdrives and the type of boat and its power units.

Newer outdrives,we are assured by those who have them are much more reliable.

There is lot of experience on here that could make sure you enjoy your new boat and avoid the pitfalls that await the unwary. :)
Three promises..
The cheque is in the post..............
Of course I'll still love you in the morning...............
The outdrives were fully serviced last year ..............

Thanks for the reply. Well, I am currently seeing what's in the market, but personally liked either the Princess Riviera 286 or the Fairline Targa 31. Some examples I've seen were with 290 outdrives an AQAD41a or b engines. However, I am trying to get an idea of the annual expenses to take care of such boats in order to be more accurate on my budget.
 
Would depend on whether you can do the work yourself are not !
Annual service by engineer on engines £600-750, byannual service on legs about £450, this assumes no other faults, I purchased a sealine 328 with known problems spending 10K on rebuilding the legs, this was taken of the purchase price, on a boat of that nature I would budget £5/6k a year inclusive of moorings. insurance, service etc. Dependant on your location
 
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Both solid reliable boats, the 41 series engine both the A and the B are basic easy to maintain engines with loads of aftermarket service bits available such as impellers/fuel/oil /air filters at sensible prices.from Ebay or your local motor factor.
DIY.
Usually the yearly expence would be a change of oil and filters,along with secondary fuel filters.(£10-20 each ) 2 x oil filters(£10-15.00 each) and 20L of fleet oil about £60.00 . max.
Every other year add 2 x new impellers (£ 40.00 each ) and possibly 2 x primary filters.Cost depends on what is fitted, some have glass inspection bowl.
Change crankcase filters £25.00 each and air filters( 25.00) on condition.
The 41 "B" engine is allegedly less smokey on start up.
Things to watch for, the cooling system must be working 100% with no oil cooler or heat exchanger problems, check no obvious leaks or even worse corrosion.
Best way of checking everything, a decent run at fast cruise and watch the temp gauges like a hawk..... if the alarms go off there is problem.
Temps should drop down almost immediately on dropping off the plane.
Fuel burn depends entirely on your use but most boaters think that the cost of fuel is not top of the expences worry.

Those legs....... you can do virtually everything yourself but the main thing is when you get your boat out the water once a year for your A/F, inspect carefully for latent problems and prevent at any cost water getting into the outdrive. Checking the gearbox oil takes seconds and could save you a fortune later.
Undo the stainless plug at bottom of leg and let a little gear oil drain into a clear container. If it looks creamy you need to take action and trace where the water is getting in.
Usually a seal ( round the prop shaft or gear selector) has given up and needs to be replaced, not usually difficult (on single prop outdrives) or expensive just extra work.
Insist on seeing any paperwork or proof that any alleged service work has been carried out .
A grubby oil change receipt alone "because the bellows were changed "only" a couple of seasons ago" is not service history.

Virtually all outdrive owners will have the number of specialist repair outfit tucked away somewhere, should things go pear shaped, most legs can be rescued .

There thats me being kind. :)
 
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Both solid reliable boats, the 41 series engine both the A and the B are basic easy to maintain engines with loads of aftermarket service bits available such as impellers/fuel/oil /air filters at sensible prices.from Ebay or your local motor factor.
DIY.
Usually the yearly expence would be a change of oil and filters,along with secondary fuel filters.(£10-20 each ) 2 x oil filters(£10-15.00 each) and 20L of fleet oil about £60.00 . max.
Every other year add 2 x new impellers (£ 40.00 each ) and possibly 2 x primary filters.Cost depends on what is fitted, some have glass inspection bowl.
Change crankcase filters £25.00 each and air filters( 25.00) on condition.
The 41 "B" engine is allegedly less smokey on start up.
Things to watch for, the cooling system must be working 100% with no oil cooler or heat exchanger problems, check no obvious leaks or even worse corrosion.
Best way of checking everything, a decent run at fast cruise and watch the temp gauges like a hawk..... if the alarms go off there is problem.
Temps should drop down almost immediately on dropping off the plane.
Fuel burn depends entirely on your use but most boaters think that the cost of fuel is not top of the expences worry.

Those legs....... you can do virtually everything yourself but the main thing is when you get your boat out the water once a year for your A/F, inspect carefully for latent problems and prevent at any cost water getting into the outdrive. Checking the gearbox oil takes seconds and could save you a fortune later.
Undo the stainless plug at bottom of leg and let a little gear oil drain into a clear container. If it looks creamy you need to take action and trace where the water is getting in.
Usually a seal ( round the prop shaft or gear selector) has given up and needs to be replaced, not usually difficult (on single prop outdrives) or expensive just extra work.
Insist on seeing any paperwork or proof that any alleged service work has been carried out .
A grubby oil change receipt alone "because the bellows were changed "only" a couple of seasons ago" is not service history.

Virtually all outdrive owners will have the number of specialist repair outfit tucked away somewhere, should things go pear shaped, most legs can be rescued .

There thats me being kind. :)

Many thanks, a thorough explanation indeed, much appreciated ?
 
Thought that diesel Targa 31 came with KAD 32 or KAD 42. rather than AD41.
32s adequate but worked hard - lots of space in the engine bay
42s a pocket rocket

more accomodation than the princess
 
Thought that diesel Targa 31 came with KAD 32 or KAD 42. rather than AD41.
32s adequate but worked hard - lots of space in the engine bay
42s a pocket rocket

more accomodation than the princess
..................most the for sale ads suggest a KAD was the only engine choice apart from the petrol option, but servicing essentially the same. ?
 
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Since taking to DIY routine maintenance I have been able to spread the cost by buying in filters and ordering oil when its at a good price and also by doing jobs as required , not necessarily everything in one hit as you would when paying for labour. eg coolant change was in September , oil change soon, impeller change in the spring . This way there are no big bills.
I have found routine engine service work to be quite simple.
Similarly outdrive oil change is relatively easy . But eventually outdrives do seem to need a rebuild which is not a DIY job.

You do need to be prepared for a big bill now and again. Running a boat is not a cheap hobby - there are always jobs that need doing.

Arrange a good pre purchase survey and if in doubt an engineers survey too.
 
The real answer unless you are in the 1% to how much is all you have until you reach penuary. The art is knowing the priority order of what is essential and what is just farkling.
 
28ft sports cruiser we had up to three years ago and paid £1000 per side for engine and out drive service
AD31 diesel and DPE out drives
About a a grand to anti foul
Would lift her very two years to do this and never had any problems in 10 years of ownership
 
Did once add up what I had spent owning my Hunton 36 including dry stack berthing fuel maintenance ETC, it was a bit of a shock :ROFLMAO:
 
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