Mad idiots on Southhampton water

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To all the raggies that expect MOBO's to get out of there way because the are under sail B**ocks,

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doesn't appear to show much regard or knowledge of colregs
 
See thats the differance, I look where I am going and take account of what is going on around me, even taking account of the bigger boats with bigger wash's than mine..

And when I do hit their wake I am prepared and so are my passengers, additionally I do not wave my fist at them like some inane T*at.. But there again I dont have a sail..
 
Re: Mad idiots on Southampton water

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But there again I dont have a sail..

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..and interestingly the peep you initially addressed your bile at (the Wanderer; who posted about carelessly driven gin palaces) is a mobo owner......
 
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See thats the differance, I look where I am going and take account of what is going on around me, even taking account of the bigger boats with bigger wash's than mine..

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Funnily enough I keep a good look out too - as I suspect do most owners in their boats ... the big boats are rarely a problem - a few hundred tonnes (or whatever) is seen from miles away and their progress through the solent is almost entirely predictable.

Then you get the fast craft who are not seen from miles away, are not restricted in manourverability, change course at the drop of a hat (so it seems) and still insist on passing close enough to see what you've got for lunch... (usually pizza on my boat!)

By the time you've established one of these craft is going to try and re-wash your lettuce for you, a displacement craft has about 10 seconds to get to a safe distance ...

I will accept that sometimes it is not easy to keep clear especially when there are 100's of moving exclusion zones bobbing about, but there is more to helming than just turning the wheel clockwise or anticlockwise - there are throttle control(s) too ... slowing down isn't too much of a hardship is it? After all - what are you speeding for? The end of the world?
 
Oh dear. I have to agree entirely with Tisme. Much as it hurts.
What is the hurry to burn those litres of fuel off. Won't it wait for another mile till you're offshore?

Or is that the point? No-one will see you there.
 
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Quite.
I wasn't convinced by Daka's proposition that because he drove a long way to get there it's OK to behave with no regard for anyone else's comfort or safety because he wants to enjoy himself

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If you had ever been on my boat you would know just how much trouble and wasted diesel I use to avoid wash for all users *

It is the lack of thanks from Yachts men and comments like yours that have deliberately mis quoted me that makes me wonder why I bother ?

Each time I drop off the plane and power back up it costs a £1 or £2.

In effect it is like going into a pub buying a stranger a drink and then he tells you to @uck off.

On Sunday as you know there was a nice sea breeze and the Yachts were shifting nicely, I must have bought half the Solent a pint and only two acknowledged me.

I started sailing when I was 10 and only recently moved to power as I find it more family friendly, I cant say that I ever found MOBOS wash much of a problem, I think many sailors in the solent are frightened of waves but they could keep their boats on the lakes or Norfolk broads.


*exception is I am happy to give way to Yachts Tacking out against tide in narrow channels on the basis they might have engine troubles or be low on fuel but I feel like the way to give way is to power up to 14 knots hump speed to pass in front . After all if an unrestricted fairway channel is not narrow enough to be a narrow channel then it must be open waters.
 
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It is the lack of thanks from Yachts men and comments like yours that have deliberately mis quoted me that makes me wonder why I bother ?

Each time I drop off the plane and power back up it costs a £1 or £2.

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If I have ever missed a wave of thanks then sorry ... next time you're passing (with no wake! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) feel free to stop along side for a pint!
 
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....After all if an unrestricted fairway channel is not narrow enough to be a narrow channel then it must be open waters.

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You've often had some interesting interpretations of ColRegs, haven't you?
 
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See thats the differance, I look where I am going and take account of what is going on around me...

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So to take your argument further, could we change

To all the raggies that expect MOBO's to get out of there way because the are under sail B**ocks, the solent is a big place and MOBOS are not stelth machines and can be seen on hot sunny day's from a fair way off.

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To all the commercial shipping that expect MOBO's to get out of there way because the are stand on boat B**ocks, the solent is a big place and MOBOS are not stelth machines and can be seen on hot sunny day's from a fair way off.

Perhaps you would like to be the first to try?

I can sometimes see an argument for compulsory licencing with comments like yours.
 
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....After all if an unrestricted fairway channel is not narrow enough to be a narrow channel then it must be open waters.

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You've often had some interesting interpretations of ColRegs, haven't you?

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Typical !

Not bothered to read or understand the overall issue.

Unrestricted fairway
Most mobos slow down as a courtesy.

A bit of wash would never really cause a problem to a sea boat rigged for sea apart from a sail adjustment.

The odd MOBO comes in at 20 knots and you group us all as irresponsible.
Why should I bother trying ?

Only reason being the odd thanks we do get.

The difference between the snotty cowes clubs and locals in Chichester is demonstrated well here.

Thanks Fireball, and feel free to let me know if you ever see me causing a problem ( I really do want to know, and if lescargo had done a search he would know that)

You must admit that 'sail gives way to power' thread was humorous /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
(there is no smoke without fire /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif)
 
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...and if lescargo had done a search he would know that...

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I've read all your past posts with interest - hence my comment /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I quite liked:

"As sail boats are less maneuverable than fast power boats the sail boats must take avoiding action when they first spot a mobo.

THIS IS A FACT NOW SET IN STONE LIKE IT OR NOT."

and particularly like

"As mobos dont zig or zag it would be prudent for yachts to zig and zag away first because they know exactly where the mobo is going"

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have to add that I have been bobbing about 20 miles off Poole and Brighton recently and commercial seem quite happy that 50m and 25 knots are reasonable clearances for them to give 25/35ft boats.

as the sea conditions were so smooth the effects of their wakes were 'significant'.

and before anyone suggests I was slap bang in the shipping lanes I wasn't - the occassional vessel choose to use the slightly less conjested waters.......
 
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Mis quoted out of context again.

No I meant

I hope to be cruising this year in the Solent area in my 30 Knot stinker, most of my experience is from the North Sea.
Last weekend in the Solent I tried to keep well clear of any Yachts but I found the Solent to be so crowded once I altered course for one boat another Yacht or fisherman stood up in a dinghy was there.
I completed much of the journey at 6 knots even in open waters and never got an acknowledgment so I wondered if everyone just accepts wash in the Solent or should I continue to try to avoid making wash near large Yachts ?


Each time I come off the plane it costs £3 or so to power back up and I don't want to waste money if most skippers dont mind a bit of wash anyway, maybe enjoy it as the RIBs do




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The more stuff I read on here the more I thank God that I don't have to sail in and around the Solent.

The trouble is its a waste of time talking sense to them - there is not the intellectual capacity to recognise it.

Egos the size of a small planet and brains like a grain of sand
 
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The trouble is its a waste of time talking sense to them - there is not the intellectual capacity to recognise it

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no generalisation there then.............. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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The more stuff I read on here the more I thank God that I don't have to sail in and around the Solent.

The trouble is its a waste of time talking sense to them - there is not the intellectual capacity to recognise it.

Egos the size of a small planet and brains like a grain of sand

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I have lived around the Solent all my life and it is becoming unrecognisable. I am really starting to think that some form of regulation is going to become necessary soon. The number of large, fast boats that behave with total disregard for all around them is reaching a dangerous level. If they behaved the same on the road then most of them would have lost their licences by now. It is very much a "feck you" attitude.

If you sit and watch the entrance to Cowes on a busy weekend, or further up around the Folly, you wouldn't believe some of the behaviour. Places like Newtown, Yarmouth and Totland have become unpleasant places in the season - I'm lucky, I live on the island and head the other way when the mainland navy are coming over.
 
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have to add that I have been bobbing about 20 miles off Poole and Brighton recently and commercial seem quite happy that 50m and 25 knots are reasonable clearances for them to give 25/35ft boats.


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Duncan I have to admire your confidence that they knew you were there, let alone that they gave you a 50m clearance! I think some of them go inshore of the straight line routes between TSSs so they can get some sleep, did you actually see signs of life or just hear the snores?

BTW 'no wash please we're yotties' applies this weekend in Swanage, I think we'll have a lazy one listening to the jazz fest. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif If you go ashore there these days where do you leave the dinghy, SWMBO is wanting a weekend paper for some silly reason, even though I did tell her she could pump it up herself!

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I look for course changes and am always ready to 'bug out'.

re the weekend the forecast is looking a bit damp and uninviting currently - however if the Jazz festival is on that may sway me a little......... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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