Looks like we'll be getting a bigger boat.. or will we?

oGaryo said:
couldn't find a CE plate (there was a US Yacht Certification plate though), didn't have paperwork with him, no chance of a sea trial or running of the engine on muffs (still winterised) and couldn't confirm it had a declaration of conformity cert issued..
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Are you wanting to use it on inland waterways, register it, or go to France? I don't know the differences between EU and US certification, but the CE plate stuff sounds like jobs for the boys to me, do they knowingly sell death traps in the US?

Buying a grey import sounds like a way to get more boat for your money to me. OK, you also have to sell it cheaper, but you get to use a nicer boat in the meantime. The star shaped cracks are called crazing, and you'll be lucky to find a 10 year old boat without any. It's just the gel coat that's cracked, nothing structural. I'm not saying you were wrong to walk away from this boat, but I wouldn't discount these things out of hand, if you find a boat that is otherwise OK.
 
Nick, we put the first boat through BSS and used it once on the broads so wont do that again. current boat is store on launch on to the Solent and that's what we'll do with this one too.. it's my understanding that irrespective of use (river, sea), any boat built after 1998 needs a CE plate and Declaration of Conformity to sail her in EU waters, not a nice to have, a must do that can cost £xxx if not already with the boat..

have had a little crazing on my last two boats mainly at the stern where things have been towed.. this is totally different, it's pretty severe and runs the width of the bow (about 6ft) in a straight line, there must be a couple of dozen large star shaped blooms which considering they're in a straight line must run along a beam or something, certainly not usual compared to what I've seen on my last two 10yo boats

I have pictures and wil post if I get the energy and inclinaton to do so;)
 
oGaryo said:
it's my understanding that irrespective of use (river, sea), any boat built after 1998 needs a CE plate and Declaration of Conformity to sail her in EU waters, not a nice to have, a must do that can cost £xxx if not already with the boat
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Does anyone know what work has to be done to a US certified boat for it to be CE marked. Are they dangerous until this work has been done? It sounds like EU beaurocracy to me, and i'm not sure anyone is checking in UK coastal waters, so if the boats are safe, and you can use them unhindered, maybe it's a way to get a nicer boat for the same money, if you're on a tight budget.
 
Well, so far, have had a look at a couple of Glastron 249GS's a 1999 model that the owners have done a great job of refurbishing and a 2002 version but I think I'm coming to the conclusion of discounting them as the finish is a little wanting and the CE plate I saw on the 1999 boat stated Class D:eek: Have aso viewed a Maxum 2400SE (2006) and that was "ok".. Finally viewed a couple of 2002 Sealine S23's drool:cool: Will hopefully view a Regal 2460 soon and wouldn't mind having another look at a Rinker 242 that's been cared for better than the one we saw on Saturday but those Sealine's are what's standing out at present, the workmanship was defintely the best thus far.. just need to find one at the right price point:rolleyes:
 
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thanks Graham... I'm looking for something younger than 10yo ideally and that S24's in Iberia (looked at it before the YBW thread was started).. £32K's about the best price I've seen so far for an S23 but would need to save my pennies for a few months to afford the capital outlay and all that comes with tweaking a newly acquired boat..

Currently got my eye on a 2002 Four Winns Vista 248, looks a nicely spec'd boat from the pictures, comes complete with trailer but as with most of these American boats, has a petrol lump.. good price though so lots of go fast juice could be funded with the £10K difference between it and an S23 + it has the trailer.

so many chuffin options in this size of boat, it's a potential minefield.

My Fletcher will be going up for sale later this week..
 
Gary,

You are right to be concerned about the CE marking. While policing by Trading Standards office is not rigorous, it certainly would hinder your resale and residual. Selling a boat is hard enough without these challenges. When buying, get all the admin boxes ticked. I came a bit unstuck with my boat, as she did not have a BSC, despite being used originally a few miles up the river. Took me 6 months to sort out!!

Again, local crazing is not such an issue, but significant tracks are to be avoided.

I would focus on Sealine 22/3/4 or Glastron with diesel engine. You could pick up a 289 for low £30 ish. Would be newer than the comparable Sealine, but not as well built.
 
thanks Rafiki.. got to be honest that I've now completely discounted the Glastrons from my list of possibles, the finish is just not comparable to something like this Four Winns Vista 248 that I can get in a newer model for similar money: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRcpXWZkXUA The killer for the Glastron was a D Class rating on the CE plate, either the plate's wrong or that's just no good for inshore waters in the UK, at least that's my understanding.. I've seen another video of the Four Winns and it seems a capable sea boat but that'll be proven (or not) in a sea trial. thanks again for your advice:cool:
 
The CE Category marking is entirely up to the builder, and doesn't mean a whole lot. The builders of the QM2 could have opted to have her CE rated for Cat D if they wanted - it just means they don't have to do as many tests. OTOH, I could[/] apply to get my tender A rated, but it would need some extensive mods...
 
Wiggo said:
Time to dig a little deeper...
http://www.ybw-boatsforsale.com/Boats/show/manufacturer/Sealine/id/107038

Anyone know what one of these would be like with an AD31/130hp lump? There's a couple around...
http://www.ybw-boatsforsale.com/Boats/show/manufacturer/Sealine/id/105483
http://www.ybw-boatsforsale.com/Boats/show/manufacturer/Sealine/id/78248
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I wouldn't get a Sealine S240/S24 with a 130hp Diesel, I am almost sure that it would struggle to get on the plane. Basically under powered, I have a S24 with the 150hp and that is okay but can stuggle when fully loaded with gear/people, but fine with two of us.

That last links an interesting one! It looks like an S24 inside and to a large extent outside as well, but I have never seen an S240/24 with "round" windows and also a window for the stern berth.


If you have a "tight" budget e.g. the S23 then I would seriously suggest you look at the S24 with a Kad32 engine (170hp), there are some very tidy examples out there so don't be put off by the age.
 
oGaryo said:
thanks Rafiki.. got to be honest that I've now completely discounted the Glastrons from my list of possibles, the finish is just not comparable to something like this Four Winns Vista 248 that I can get in a newer model for similar money: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRcpXWZkXUA The killer for the Glastron was a D Class rating on the CE plate, either the plate's wrong or that's just no good for inshore waters in the UK, at least that's my understanding.. I've seen another video of the Four Winns and it seems a capable sea boat but that'll be proven (or not) in a sea trial. thanks again for your advice:cool:
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Back to the Sealine then.................................
 
Or go mad and have a look at this 1987 Sunseeker 28 with a 2006 320HP KAD43 on sale for £21,000:

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/PAA11778

PAA11778
 
Got to be the S23 I'm afraid.. I know this'll cheese a few S24 owners off but I'm not that partial to the shape once on the plane.. just looks a bit weird to me.. the S23 looks better imo
 
Wiggo said:
That's 230hp not 320hp, don't forget. If a 23 footer is marginal with 130hp, I'm not sure how well a deep V 28 footer will run on 230hp either, though the man claims 35 knots...
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Down hill, going north, with a southerly F9 up his arse. that's how :rolleyes:

just for info,
mines 31' deep V 2x 200ad41's clean bum and legs, full tanks, on me own pulling 3900, at 0530 on a mirror solent, slack water, zero wind, gps sog 34kts.

I just can't live with the burn rate though:eek: back off to 2900 burns less than half of wot. 22-24kts dependant on sea state.
 
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