Looks like we can now add Lagoon 41 to the list of Lagoon bulkhead failures
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roaringgirl
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They say they'll probably get it fixed in South Africa. IMHO if the boat is structurally ok to sail from the Seychelles to SA, then the bulkheads are fine!!
geem
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Did you watch the video. Which part of fine is that moving plywood? The trip they need to do to SA is tough. Would you be happy taking a boat with that much movement through that stretch of water?
roaringgirl
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Not in the slightest - that's my point!
Neeves
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Lagoons are all made the same way - its unsurprising they fail the same way.
Lagoons appear to fit the charter market requirement perfectly - large accomodation, motor well, sail abominably. My guess is they are not sailed hard, as charter yachts, and are fit for purpose. The problems arise when they are sold on to a private buyer (and many private buyers will not sail them hard either). Its the private buyer who wants to sail oceans who discover the limitations. Its a bit like buying a 'conventional' saloon car and expecting it to have the attributes of a 4x4. The problem, with Lagoons, is becoming more common as there are more of them now being retired from a charter fleet and there are a significant number of monied young, inexperienced, couples who want to sail oceans in a catamaran.
A question one might ask would be - do you want to sail efficiently - if so - you would not buy a Lagoon. Its a motor yacht with a mast. If you want to sail then buy a yacht with some credentials - there are other catamarans used in charter fleets. Be a bit more discerning.
This does not excuse Beneteau/Lagoon nor am I unsympathetic for ocean going Lagoon owners. I can only think Lagoons ex charter must be very inexpensive (for a reason).
However I would not single out Lagoon. Josephine and I went to the Leopard (R&C) yard in South Africa. They were building and had just launched the first model with the forward entertainment area. I note one at the Sydney Boat show this year. They have moved the 'entertainment' area forward of the saloon which comprises, in effect, a forward open cockpit ahead of the mast. It is perfect for tropical climes in that when at anchor it will catch the evening breeze. You will be able to sit out at dusk and be comfortable.
Leopard 45
The location is also a perfect area to catch big seas - we have seas wash our bridge deck (we have seas over our cabin roof) - but we don't have a big bath to catch the water. Its a design horror waiting for the first one to be caught in 50 knots winds. I am sure it has decent drains - but it also has a big patio door from the jacuzzi to the covered saloon.
We were considering a Leopard but decided against it as R&C don't customise sufficiently they are too tied up with the charter market - what you see is what you get and when you are spending serious money you expect (or we did) to be able to customise.
You don't expect a Ford saloon car to be a 4x4 - why not question the ocean going ability of a fleet of charter yachts. There is plenty of choice.
Jonathan
Lagoons appear to fit the charter market requirement perfectly - large accomodation, motor well, sail abominably. My guess is they are not sailed hard, as charter yachts, and are fit for purpose. The problems arise when they are sold on to a private buyer (and many private buyers will not sail them hard either). Its the private buyer who wants to sail oceans who discover the limitations. Its a bit like buying a 'conventional' saloon car and expecting it to have the attributes of a 4x4. The problem, with Lagoons, is becoming more common as there are more of them now being retired from a charter fleet and there are a significant number of monied young, inexperienced, couples who want to sail oceans in a catamaran.
A question one might ask would be - do you want to sail efficiently - if so - you would not buy a Lagoon. Its a motor yacht with a mast. If you want to sail then buy a yacht with some credentials - there are other catamarans used in charter fleets. Be a bit more discerning.
This does not excuse Beneteau/Lagoon nor am I unsympathetic for ocean going Lagoon owners. I can only think Lagoons ex charter must be very inexpensive (for a reason).
However I would not single out Lagoon. Josephine and I went to the Leopard (R&C) yard in South Africa. They were building and had just launched the first model with the forward entertainment area. I note one at the Sydney Boat show this year. They have moved the 'entertainment' area forward of the saloon which comprises, in effect, a forward open cockpit ahead of the mast. It is perfect for tropical climes in that when at anchor it will catch the evening breeze. You will be able to sit out at dusk and be comfortable.
Leopard 45
The location is also a perfect area to catch big seas - we have seas wash our bridge deck (we have seas over our cabin roof) - but we don't have a big bath to catch the water. Its a design horror waiting for the first one to be caught in 50 knots winds. I am sure it has decent drains - but it also has a big patio door from the jacuzzi to the covered saloon.
We were considering a Leopard but decided against it as R&C don't customise sufficiently they are too tied up with the charter market - what you see is what you get and when you are spending serious money you expect (or we did) to be able to customise.
You don't expect a Ford saloon car to be a 4x4 - why not question the ocean going ability of a fleet of charter yachts. There is plenty of choice.
Jonathan
Chiara’s slave
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A forward ’cockpit’ has to be the very worst idea yet in multihull design.
