capnsensible
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I'm sure as a sure thing that you understand 'subjective'. Go on, you really do want to sail one.Some people have taste others don't
Look away now fans of traditional heavy boats…
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B27
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If people wanted to sail faster, they'd have been buying multihulls for the past 50 years.
jamie N
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It's a step forward IF it delivers. I like the idea, and wouldn't notice the aesthetics from onboard, but would get used to them.
E39mad
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I like it
As for the looks well it has it advantages as the majority will not want to anchor or moor alongside you
As for the looks well it has it advantages as the majority will not want to anchor or moor alongside you
Tomahawk
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As someone who has experience of such matters, proper boats… by which I mean ones with two hulls … do present a lot of problems on the East Coast. There are almost no facilities for taking them out the water. And many harbours are not that welcoming.
But the enjoyment of looking wt the back, then the side then the fast disappearing front is still worth the hassle.
Tomahawk
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I don’t think .i would like the price…
DownWest
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Probably reminds you of your previous place of work, so nostalgia..I like it too. But at least it gives the usual suspects a chance to get all histrionic.
Porthandbuoy
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Ideal yacht for someone who doesn’t like sailing and wants to spend as little time as possible at sea. I’d wait until the mk2 version comes out having ironed out all the structural issues with the mk1. Nothing can help with the aesthetics though.
DownWest
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Scows came about to get a bigger/faster boat in the 6.50 class, much as other racing rules dictated design (IOR..) or the long overhangs on older boats. Sometimes they look good, often not.
Bobc
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I think it's pretty cool
Stemar
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Me too. If I were 29 years younger and a few million richer...
westernman
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doug748
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First mate wants to know if it has room for a washing machine.
Our cruising life changed significantly for the better once I fitted one.
The extra mass would take the edge off performance .
It's “ready to sail across the ocean at 20 knots” but you have to send your luggage ahead.
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flaming
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To be fair, a design weight of 4.5 Tonnes is very light to start with for an 11m boat. Even adding 2 Tonnes of gear only takes it to 6.5 Tonnes. Which is, for example, about the same as a JPK1180- in race trim, which is very similar in size. And goes like this....The extra mass would take the edge off performance .
It's “ready to sail across the ocean at 20 knots” but you have to send your luggage ahead.
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But the paradise thing has foils, which are a bit of a game changer for downwind sailing....
B27
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Indeed.
If we were designing a boat with an open mind and blank sheet of paper, to (for instance) cruise the typical UK and near continent scope of the weekend yachtsman, as fast as possible, I think we'd be looking at a multihull with foils.
But any constraints like size/draught/cost or optimisation for light or heavy weather might change the whole concept.
The hull of a foiler is just a bracket to hang the foils on, except launching and light air.
Scows have long history.
There is an evolution
scow
tunnel hull scow
dog-a-maran
multihull.
michael_w
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What's the JPK like when you have to go upwind through a short chop? Most races are won and lost upwind IMHO.
dunedin
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I suspect a look at the 2023 Fastnet race results would give you a good idea of upwind performance into waves
flaming
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And the 2021 race where they won, which was also pretty brutal upwind to the rock....
mjcoon
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Is that related to the "marine nappy" already mentioned? ;-)First mate wants to know if it has room for a washing machine.
Our cruising life changed significantly for the better once I fitted one.
rotrax
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No, just that when doing proper cruising, the sort where if you like the place you stay for a bit, often in our case weeks, a washing machine makes a big difference.
We carry half a ton of water and have two fridges and a freezer.
By being conservative with water use we can stay on the hook for 2 weeks. Being able to do a spot of washing while away for the summer, usually at least 5 months, was a gamechanger.
Dragged a heavy load of washing, uphill, to a laundrette once. All machines were in use, so chose the lady's suggestion of a service wash and left it till the following day.
She did not do it, we missed the tide and I decided to buy the little plastic twin tub we now use. Takes a 5 kilo load and is filled with hot water from the shower pipe, drains and spins out down the shower drain.
After the first eight washes it had paid for itself.
Cruising at 20 knots? Really?
The boat might be able to reach those speeds, but is it Cruising?
We like a bit of comfort while aboard. And Ice Cream for desert................................
