Locking Down Lifting Keels

I don't lock the keel down on my Jaguar 21 because I am far more likely to ground her on our local sandbanks than suffer a 180 deg. capsize. With the keel not locked down then all I have to do after one of my all too frequent groundings is jump down into the cabin and quickly lift the keel a few inches. If I really mess up I can drop the sails and lift the keel right up. If the locking pin was in place it might be impossible to remove it with the weight of the boat pushing against it and then I'd be stuck.
 
CreakyDecks,

this is just info and in no way a criticism, but at my moorings, which are half tide so lift keelers moor with keels retracted, a Jaguar 21 was discovered by a passing rowing skiff, laying on her side at 90 degrees; it seems she was pushed over by a big squall, and was not self righting with the keel up.

It's quite sheltered there and there's no way a wave or ship wash could be involved.

She was simply pushed back upright by the skiff crew, as far as I know no harm done, but it was a bit of an eye-opener and might be worth being aware of !
 
Seajet said:
CreakyDecks,

this is just info and in no way a criticism, but at my moorings, which are half tide so lift keelers moor with keels retracted, a Jaguar 21 was discovered by a passing rowing skiff, laying on her side at 90 degrees; it seems she was pushed over by a big squall, and was not self righting with the keel up.

It's quite sheltered there and there's no way a wave or ship wash could be involved.

She was simply pushed back upright by the skiff crew, as far as I know no harm done, but it was a bit of an eye-opener and might be worth being aware of !
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I suppose what is interesting is the ratio between ballast in the hull and the keel.

Parker 275 66:34
Anderson 22?
Jaguar 21?
 
I don't know about the Jaguar 21, but the Anderson 22 has 950lbs ballast with an original displacement of 2,500lbs.

With the A22, 900lbs is in the ballast bulb, 4'6" down when lowered, and 50lbs is the vertically lifting plate; no internal ballast.

She's self righting with the keel fully up, I've been aboard on the mooring in some really savage squalls over the years; when Bob Salmon sailed one across the Atlantic he did it most of the way with the keel raised, fine in theory but probably braver than me !
 
I have a Super Seal 26 and although I have never been in anything like knockdown conditions, I sail out of the Exe in Devon and know the then production manager from John Bakers factory and the surveyor who accompanied Ron Holland on the sea trials of the boat. The knock down/righting test was done in high winds and still had to have the assistance of a dinghy running the spinnaker halyard out the side to get the mast near the water so I certainly don't have any concerns about the boat being inverted!
 
david100952 said:
I have a Super Seal 26 and although I have never been in anything like knockdown conditions, I sail out of the Exe in Devon and know the then production manager from John Bakers factory and the surveyor who accompanied Ron Holland on the sea trials of the boat. The knock down/righting test was done in high winds and still had to have the assistance of a dinghy running the spinnaker halyard out the side to get the mast near the water so I certainly don't have any concerns about the boat being inverted!
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I describe my Super Seal as Weeble.. they wobble but don't fall down.. I've broached it a couple of times, but never been worried about it.
 
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